The Best Version Of Bruce Seldon Vs Tokyo Tyson

good post:good, Tyson was not an easy guy to work with, but if finkel wanted a return on his investment he could have gave more thought to Tysons limitatations after the lewis fight. On paper wiliams and mcbride were beatable - but Tyson just couldnt give away weight no more at that point - the lewis fight showed that. maybe shelly just wanted to wash his hands of tyson.

 

That video of Seldon vs. Tyson I forgot all about, but it reminded of the fight when I saw it. Seldon was hit but not clean at all. He would be hit on the top of the head and just flop down. I don't think the fight was fixed, he just did not want to get hit clean at all.

 

I also think a punch was landed on Seldon to make him go down. You saw a similar shot put Savarse down, but Seldon definitely 100% faked the second knockdown to get out of the fight. That thing he did with his feet wobbling was a joke and he just quit to get out of the fight. Seldon was very nervous going into the Tyson fight. He was nervous when the fight was signed and he had to sit next to Tyson at the press conference. It was clear from the start that fight wasnt getting out of the first round.

 

Tyson looked horrible against Lewis. He went to Hawaii to train. Tyson looked his best in the two back to back fights with Savarese and Golota. He should have taken Lewis on three months after the Golota fight and kept Brooks in his corner.

 

Well the Francis fight was kind of the beginning of a good run. I was in camp with Tyson for the Francis fight and watched him train everyday down here in Florida. Tyson looked good and Brooks was correcting a lot of the basic mistakes Tyson was making since he got out of jail. It was a different style to the D'Amato Rooney, but it was a good one that was working well for Tyson. He was doing a lot of lateral punching and moving in the angles. I think the main goal was to face Lewis because King held all the rights to Holy Tyson 3, so fighting Francis, then Savarese and Golota were good steps towards preparing for a big guy like Lewis. The only problem is Tyson took a lot of time off after the Golota fight and returned in very poor condition against Nielson and then Lewis. Tyson wasnt ready to face Lewis and admitted after the fight, but he had to go through with it because of his legal obligations. He basically owed everyone and their brother money.

 

Bottom line is that Seldon's chin was not good enough to handle a big bomber's punch. Somewhere Tyson is going to land a good one, even an out of shape Tyson, and Bruce would be done.

 

Tyson was pretty active for Tyson around the time of the Francis, Savarese and Golota fights.
My opinion is the Francis Tyson was better. He was better technically and defensively, and really thats all Tyson needed along with activity and staying in top shape to rule the division again. Brooks said Tyson had more talent in his big toe then the entire division, he just went about boxing half assed and didnt try.

 

Tyson is just a bad matchup for him. And I don't think he had the tools an determination Douglas did, but I don't think hes garbage

 

Tyson really wasnt lazy. When he was in the gym he worked hard, he just didnt care to be in boxing anymore. There were days we were sitting around the gym and Tyson wouldnt even show up for training, no call nothing but when he did come to the gym he worked hard.
Tyson had no real direction with guys like Jay Bright and as good as Tyson could be he still needed someone who knew what they were doing in the corner. Jay Bright was not a qualified guy to handle a corner against the top opposition in the heavyweight division. Tyson was basically going into fights on his own which was stupid.

 

I think you're selling Seldon a little short here. He was chinny which is why this match up puts him in a considerable deficit.

Seldon did have a pretty decent jab, good speed and average power. He wasn't world class but he was good enough to give an upcoming fighter a bit of a go sort of like the proverbial gatekeeper or a trail horse. In today's division given how much people have been looking for a serious challenger to the Klitschko's If Bruce Seldon was on his way up he'd be given a good chance based on his attributes (provided he's guided carefully towards a title shot) only to get KO'd by either brother when they do eventually meet.

Tyson had the wrong style for Bruce and as a result would have KO'd him with absolute certainty up until 2002/2003. After that Father Time would simply aid Seldon in ways that his own God given talent couldn't.

So no he doesn't beat Tyson in Tokyo.