The better overall fighter- James Toney or Floyd Mayweather Jnr

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Kamikaze, Aug 31, 2021.

So?

  1. Toney

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  2. Mayweather

    84.1%
  3. They were both equally good fighters

    2.3%
  1. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of similarities in their styles, they came from the lineage and were taught in similar schools. I would rather watch Toney fight, without a doubt. If Mayweather had been as confident in himself as was Toney- or, if he had been as willing to fight anybody, any size, any time, anywhere- there is no way that he would have been undefeated. But he took control of his career and put himself in a position to pick his spots, whereas Toney was too often in the position of needing somebody else to make money.
    Floyd may have been more aggressive in his career if his hands had stayed healthy but you wonder if he knew that, in addition to the tradition of Mayweathers with fragile hands, he was worried about the other Mayweather tradition of not taking a punch too well.
    I have a lot of respect for Mayweather because he worked hard, he looked out for himself and charted his own path. And he was willing to share his knowledge, boxing and business, with younger fighters that he thought had potential. But, in my opinion, he was a business guy that used boxing to make a ton of money. James Toney was a fighter that hoped to get paid.
     
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  2. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    His wins are really awesome. Floyds step up from feather all the way up to Canelo-weight was pretty crazy career work. But Toney mixed it up with the guy who crushed Lennox, Sam Peters was a bad dude too the amount of actual size he forfeit was insane. It would be like Hagler getting in the ring with BoneCrusher Smith yeah the skill level gulf would be immense but just the disparity between them...
     
  3. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    The mentality was different on a deeper level down to the marrow in there bones. I agree.
    I know you don't do this sort of thing usually but which do you think had the more outstanding career? money not being a factor.
     
  4. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, in my spare time when I want to watch a fight for fun, I have never, ever watched a Floyd Mayweather fight.
     
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  5. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    That's not what I asked and you know it aha
    Who had the better body of work? (wins)
     
  6. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Anyone notice Morlocks voted.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Like the Canelo fight?
     
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  8. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    He did. Handily
     
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  9. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Active Member Full Member

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    First, see @greynotsoold post #31.
    I read the OP this morning prior to leaving for work but thought about it on the drive to and from work. Like Grey said, both men were incredibly skilled in the throwback sense and established themselves as old school fighters. And as they're careers progressed both men hit turbulence that would define them almost as much as their skills did. For James, getting schooled by Roy Jones on the biggest stage and rumors of laziness and gluttony proving true over the years, he would be dogged by the question of, "How great could he have been if he had the discipline of Mayweather or Hopkins?"
    Floyd would be dogged by the question of, "How great could he have been if he had the balls of Toney, and not the vulva of Jenna Jameson?" Two men who showed the stuff of ATGs early in their careers but both also having a sense of "If only they had..."
    As I thought these fighters I realized they reminded two of the greatest actors in hollywood history: James Toney / Marlon Brando and Floyd Mayweather / Robert DeNiro.
    Early on in his acting career Brando established himself as a bona fide star in A Streetcar Named Desire and On the Waterfront and several others; but then he tanked for awhile, got fat and was no longer an adonis. Then 10-15 years later he reappears as Vito Corleone in The Godfather and cements his position as one of the greatest actors ever. This is James Toney up through his fight with Jirov. After that, both men would under and overperform and fans would hope that they'd see the brilliance of old but there was never a guarantee they would. Both Marlon and James brought a zero-f&cks-given attitude to their profession and even if they were fat as hogs you still had to admire them.
    Robert DeNiro earned his rep as great actor early on in Taxi Driver and carried through the years with Raging Bull, Goodfellas and Casino. This would be Floyd with his wins over Hernandez, Corrales and up through Gatti. It's after that both men seem to go into cruise control and were no longer able to carry a movie or a fight on their own. They no longer seemed natural and fans knew that DeNiro and Mayweather were just playing parts for money. Unlike Toney and Brando, Floyd and Robert both aged well but fans never really held out hope that they'd see greatness that they'd shown when they were young.
    In conclusion, Marlon Brandon and James Toney became tragedies as they aged. Robert DeNiro and Floyd Mayweather became parodies.
    Ultimately, Floyd had the better career while simultaneously having less steak than sizzle.
     
  10. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brilliant.
     
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  11. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Active Member Full Member

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    Thank you, sir! That's high praise coming from one of the best posters on this board :Saeufer:
     
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  12. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    As Grey said- “Brilliant”
     
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  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Blather. Blether. And any other words for gibberish that Word Hippo thinks of.
     
  14. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Midnight Run would be Jesus Chavez.
     
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  15. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well he wasn't what he was in '99 or '02.

    He was ancient by 2006/7.
     
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