The Biggest Game Of Chicken: Floyd-Pac-Cotto-Canelo - Who Gives First?

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Greetings Boxings Fans.

    Let's take a little delve into the two biggest fights that can be made in the sport in long time.

    Cotto vs Canelo & Floyd vs Pacquiao



    I have a theory, could be wrong..... could be right.... a lot of people have been asking what's the hold up. Floyd & Cotto are divas and they should just sign the contracts. Well the thing about that is if you feel that way you probably don't understand negotiating or you don't care about being rich. Both of these guys don't come from the most wealthy backgrounds and they have earned the right to make these demands by earning the attention of the people. No athlete in any sport "JUST PLAYS" for the love of it, most guys prove themselves then earn AS MUCH MONEY as they can. Boxing should be no different. Here is what I assume is happening with both of these negotiations. (again ALL MY OPINION, if you feel i'm wrong don't call me a fan boy or hater like a little kid. Give me some points why and lets have a good discussion.)




    Floyd Mayweather and Miguel Cotto currently have two things in common vs their potential opponents (canelo & manny), they are both the CLEAR CUT A-SIDE and there is NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. Cotto deserves WHATEVER he wants in negotiations against Canelo and Floyd deserves the same and this is something they both recognize. From the sounds of it, neither of them are getting their way as the A-side because of this were the case the fights would have been signed already. Since the A-sides are having trouble with the B-sides I have a feeling that Floyd & Miguel are leveraging each other in negotiations vs their desired opponents to gain more of what they desire in negotiations. I'm shocked that we haven't heard any talks of Manny vs Canelo as a rebuttal to this.


    I think this theory holds some weight because Miguel Cottos advisor actually has confirmed the mayweather fight being an option. Floyds camp has been extremely quiet but his camp is always quiet during negotiations. I think both of these guys are going to let the b-sides think about it for a little bit and I expect some big news around the 2nd week of january. Just a theory of mine your allowed to take it or leave it. Even though they are leveraging each other IMO it will be interesting to see who comes away with the May 2nd date, i'm sure both floyd & cotto want it but not more than wanting to be the clear cut a-side in their fights.
     
  2. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    when has mayweather ever fought someone who had 6 fights which had over 1 mill ppv buys and 800 000 mill in ppv money?

    fact is the coward is dealing with a ppv star in manny pacquaio and deep inside he knows it
     
  3. DSG496

    DSG496 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    from cotto's perspective, he can fight fmj and get 40mil then fight canelo at a later date, it'll still be a big money fight,

    if cotto loses to canelo, then he's pretty much done in terms of getting a big PPV fight.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yeah exactly. Cotto already lost to floyd so it wouldn't even make a difference, he could just go on to make that fight after losing to floyd.

    In my opinion Canelo needs cotto to establish himself as a "big time" PPV star. He doesn't have any other opponents that he can make a PPV with that will sell big time numbers and help push his name further into the mainstream. Cotto can do a PPV with Floyd or Andy Lee in MSG or Barclays and it will do pretty well.
     
  5. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Forget May-Pac, it'll never happen. Cotto's in a very nice position here. Take the 40 mil & a real shot at beating May, & as you point out, still have the Canelo fight down the road. If Cotto did manage to beat Floyd an immediate big money re-match would be likely also.

    Cotto's in a win-win IMO.
     
  6. zato-one

    zato-one Pink Jumpsuit Boxing Full Member

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    Manny has Arum
    Cotto is a primadonna
    Canelo is game to fight because hes at the bottom of the pole out of the 4
    Mayweather is a coward and will go down in time as the most skilled coward in boxing
     
  7. pugs

    pugs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All I can see here is floyd trying to wuss out of the pacquiao fight once again to fight another recycled opponent. So if Floyd-Cotto 2 happens, it would be 2 ducks in one stone.
     
  8. Clydebank Blitz

    Clydebank Blitz Don't Be Scared Homie Full Member

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    Everyone outside of Pacquiao will fight Mayweather in a second because of how much money they will make from that one contest. If Cotto choosed Mayweather over Alvarez, I see absolutely no shame in that.
     
  9. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd question his business sense if he didn't.
     
  10. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    agree 100%. I think both floyd & cotto want the fight thats right with them but they know their position in the sport.
     
  11. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Mayweather and Cotto fight each other, they are basically giving the two fingers to the fans and depriving us of the fights we want to see them in (vs Pac and Canelo). Also, they would be making something of a mockery of the lineal MW title imo. I understand that boxing is a business but any business has to give its customers a satisfactory product, and in boxing the fans are the customers. I hope if Mayweather and Cotto fight each other that people boycott the PPV and that it flops.

    Also, I don't think Cotto would earn that much more by fighting Floyd as people think. Cotto-Canelo is a huge fight due to Mexico - PR rivalry, young pretender vs vetern, 50-50 matchup, etc. And Mayweather would obviously make more money fighting Pac so if he goes for Cotto instead (without seriously trying to make the Pac fight) its hypocritical in so many ways.
     
  12. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Although Cotto vs Mayweather is not a bad fight, it's not an intriguing fight. We'd probably get the same outcome, and it's at a bullsh!t weight. It would pretty much throw the whole 160 weight class into a funk. The whole time I was defending Mayweather from not having to face Golovkin because he was too small. However now I would see no option other than that they would have to face each other to see who is actually the best middleweight in the planet.
     
  13. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In terms of popularity, only Pac-Floyd beats Canelo-Cotto.

    So, Cotto and Floyd ****ing around means they are just chickening out. Floyd-Cotto rematch wouldn't sell even remotely as good as Canelo-Cotto or Pac-Floyd.
     
  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Not sure if that's true. Wouldn't surprise me if Floyd-Cotto II outsold Cotto-Canelo by a wide margin. Then again, I honestly couldn't care less about Cotto-Canelo. I have no interest in that bogus middleweight title fight (or any other middleweight title fight involving Cotto and an opponent who is not a true middleweight).
     
  15. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    not really... just means that Floyd and cotto know their worth. Theyve paid their dues. Canelo has zero leverage in negotiating. Pac has some But floyd is also still that a-side in that fight.