the Boxing Rating Project.

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  1. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    for a More Concise, Complimentary & Honest approach and inclusion of the many, many great fighters who have Graced this Sport.

    Era's by Strongest Periods in Boxing History (General Consensus)

    mid 1930s - 1950s
    1960s - 1980s
    1920s - mid 1930s
    1990s - present

    turn of the Century - 1910s (perhaps a list all on its own, Cruder fighters)

    Regions
    by Strongest Pool of fighters (General Consensus)

    North America
    AMERICA ( LOADS)
    Canada (Some)

    UK and Europe

    BRITAIN (Loads)
    Europe (Some)

    Mexico, Central and South America

    MEXICO (Loads)
    Central & South America (Some)

    Australia and South Africa (Africa)

    AUSTRALIA (Lots, but not loads)
    South Africa/ Africa (Some)

    Asia and New Zealand and South Pacific

    Asia (some)
    New Zealand (some)
    South Pacific (some)

    Countries
    by Strongest Pools of fighters

    AMERICA (LOADS)
    UK (Loads)
    Mexico (Loads)
    Australia (Lots)

    these Countries would be the most laborious groups to put together, a bit of time, but Not at all impossible...

    Resource Centre


    • Lineal Title Holders (Not always the Best Persey)
    • Ring TOP 10 and WORLD Classed Grouped Fighters (not always in the right slot, ie a Fringe Grouped fighter could be in fact better than a Top 10 fighter)
    • National TOP 10 or more, if a fighter or two fits


    • All-Time Great Lists (too often Achievement based, but useful for adjusting placements throughout grouping.
    • BoxRec (poor ratings, but suppler of Names, just like the other Ratings Orgs.
    • BoxRec Ring Magazine Ratings page

    So it is an EASY Template as the Lesser Nations all only through up few names, so that's the easy place to start, then carry on through the Groups, fewer to many fighters...

    You will end up FORSURE 300 - 500 Fighters, but it could Easily be a 1000 and more.

    Elite

    GREAT
    Great
    great

    Very Good

    this is much more Respectful to the many, many great fighters who have Graced the Square Circle, the Noble Art, the Sweet Science...

    C'mon you Boxing Geeks give it a Go!

    respectfully, especially to the Fighters,
    Thistle.
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I know two names who are going to find their way into your list.lol
     
  3. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    naturally McVey you are a complete Objective Killer, these Lists WILL Include HUNDREDS of Great Fighters - WHY?

    because in a 150 Years of Boxing - there are Tens of Thousands of Fighters, Of Course there ARE and there have been HUNDREDS of Greats Fighters who have Danced the Canvas.

    too think otherwise, is not only foolish, it is Downright Disrespectful to them and Boxing History!
     
  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This content is protected
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Haha everyone is a critic.
     
  6. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some don't realize this. Also, George explained to me the difference between Great Britain and United Kingdom.
     
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  7. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mexico was Grouped there purposefully to split the Regions with Greatest number of Fighters, making the Fact Gathering Excercise Easier.
     
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  8. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Regarding using Boxrec's annual Ring rankings page -

    Remember, at least at heavyweight, several (a majority) of Boxrec's Ring Annual Ratings are incorrect and not from the issue of Ring that Boxrec claims they are.

    I wonder if that's because Boxrec pulled the lists out of a Ring Record Book (1981?) where the annual rankings were published (perhaps) incorrectly? I didn't "collect" monthly heavyweight rankings at that point, so I don't know if they were reproduced accurately. I just know they aren't totally accurate on Boxrec.

    Also, a lot can change in a year. Fighters can be unranked entering a year, have a couple good wins, be ranked highly in monthly rankings, then have a bad loss or two and it's like they were never rated because their names never entered the annual rankings. So all credit to you for using a variety of sources.
     
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  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Am I the only one, who find it hard to understand, how this somehow should make it easier to come up with a proper/objective "greatness" list?

    For example... how does the ranking of eras pertain to the making of a "greatest" fighters list? Does it mean, that we should use different criteria for different eras? That a journeyman from the strongest era, should maybe be seen as the equal of a top boxer from the weakest era? Or how is this supposed to work?
     
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I would assume the point is by looking into the various era in regions in depth, it ensures you don't have gaps in knowledge for the full list.
     
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  11. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Us boxing geeks are giving it a go. I can't say much more publicly, but those who know, know.
     
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  12. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not the one doing this, it is a Widescale Template to cover all possible Countries / Regions, Years / Era's, Lists and so on.

    it is inspired by all the useless futile attempts at Top 10s, Top 100s and so on.

    I mean 150 Years of Boxing and just taking the Top 10 HWs (for example), by Decade, well that alone gives you a 150 HWs, give or take, but over the same 150 Years, there is at least One per Year, but in reality there will be many more, HWs who have been great fighters, but for a multitude of reasons, didn't get included... so in the same 150 years you actually have EASY 200 HWs, I'd personally say 300, over a 150 Years..

    and you do the Same for ALL Weights, all Regions/Countries and all Era's...

    Jeremy Williams for example, a great fighter, would usually be placed below Sam Peters, but the Opposite is true... Peters is in the very good category and Williams is definately better overall.

    So, the Template sends the Researcher(s) Gathering the Data, seperating it into the appropriate Sections, and then once all thats done, the Task of 'trying' to Rate fighters a little more realistically begins... it won't be 100% unarguably perfect, but it will certainly be More Honest and Inclusive of 150 YEARS of Boxing, and at least 200 great fighters Worldwide for most of those Boxing Era's, Periods, Years, Decades and Lists and all Weights are easily better placed.

    it is a very staight forward and simple excercise, albeit one that would take time - a couple, few months forsure. but personally the Sport & the many, many great fighters who have pleased the Fans, the Critics and the Backers, deserve it.

    so all you Boxing Geeks who like to do things like this would be in your element!
     
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  13. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok... but where does the ranking of eras come into play?
     
  14. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it is a widely stated consensus by thousands of Boxing people for Decades Now, as I said earlier, Witten, Reported and Posted about on Boxing Sites...

    your a boxing fan and have been on websites for years, read the Ring, read Boxing books, Heard Commentaries, Seen Documentaries and read posts, discussed posts, fought about them, and you have never heard of Era's being cited one ahead of others?

    of course you have, Era's get fought about regularly, albeit Nowhere Near the amount of Battles with rediculous Top 10, Top 100, or 500 Lists.

    that's the WHOLE Point to a Clear Sweeping Neutral Template,

    to 'TRY' and account for the few thousand great fighters over 150 Years of Boxing, that has registered a Hundred Thousand Boxers or more, Worldwide, through that same 150 Years.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    "Jeremy Williams ,a great fighter".You've lost me already!lol
    You described me as," a complete objective killer".I'm flattered.
     
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