The British Heavyweight title

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    So maybe it wasn't good for him.
    Consider Wilder had around 30 plus fights before he had his title shot and then went on to make several defences. If he had have had to face a Lennox Lewis in a domestic showdown he may not have been able to have gone on and done so much
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wasn't so much about the prestige to other countries but more to do with the scale and magnitude of those bouts and how draining they can be
    Like I was saying earlier look at say Dubois vs Joyce. The size and relevance and pressure of that fight for the British title

    Tell me about the same NABF etc

    Consider a HW who has an argument about being the best ever had a tough big British title fight
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I didn't take offence and liked the quality of your posting

    I was pointing out how big and even potentially draining those fights could be and saying would other countries with a decent amount of HWs benefit or be hindered
    For America I was saying if there was an American title etc
    A fight like say Anderson vs Martin could potentially have been for that title and it would be fighting to be obe of the bigger fighters from that country to earn a good ranking instead of already being thrust into being considered world level
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Star post of the thread :deal:
     
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  5. James Hudson

    James Hudson Active Member Full Member

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    Mason was a fighter going nowhere....he took the purse as it would have been sizeable. Massive difference from a world title shot and a British title fight imo. Wilder had only beaten bums before his world title shot....probably had a very similar resume to Gary Mason after the same number of fights. Wilder could bang though....thats why he achieved what he did
     
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thank you comrade and fellow iron-jawed ATG Brit Level warrior
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    No he wasn't. He was a big Undefeated prospect at the time

    Please stick to facts. Unless you know what he was offered and what was on the table for a title shot
    Do you think there was more money in the British title than a title fight?


    Mason was also a big hitter with 34 kos in 37 wins so I fail to see your point and you have fallen into the debate of what this thread was about
    So you site Mason and Wilder as similar but one ended up having a British title fight and that is arguably what derailed his career to a degree and the other doesn't have to go through such an arduous route and can go on to a world title fight
     
  8. James Hudson

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    Have a look at his resume ffs. He was a carefully managed typical British hype job. European title level imo. U think Gary was being lined up to fight Tyson/Holyfield/Bowe back then....lol
     
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  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have completely ducked and dodged answering and written lol at the end of your post. Very good

    Now...
    I know his resume and you pointed out that it was arguable to Wilders, so the point stands.
    It's not about lined up to face bowe or like, it was about the gruelling schedule of the British title fights and in facing Lewis for that title it was arguably a tougher opponent than Tyson/Holyfield/Bowe back then possibly even though Lewis wasn't accomplished at that time
    So let's go by what you are saying to dodge the previous points and say mason got to fight Douglas and win the world title for example
    Would that have been tougher winning those world titles than his fight for the British title?
    I doubt it would have been

    You saying wilder above but if he had have been based in the UK and eligible to fight for the title he may have had a big fight or fights against Fury, Joshua, Whyte, Chisora, Price just for the British title etc, which may/ may not have derailed him
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gary Mason is gatekeeper level at best, his best win is Biggs. Lewis wasn't in any way accomplished when the fight happened. It's a meaningless argument based on 20/20 hindsight
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Any fight can be called hindsight but considering Lewis was an Olympic gold medallist I tend to disagree
    It wasn't like he was some unknown prospect. He was the Olympic champion that stopped Bowe in the final

    On a separate note, the thread is not about mason but the British HW title. Mason was just a fighter who was arguably a bit detailed when contesting for that title
     
  12. James Hudson

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    Yeah I've ducked and dodged the numerous twists and turns in whatever it is ur trying to debate??? U mentioned Mason being lined up for a world title fight....all ifs but and maybe's from ya. So yeah I found that funny. Conversation over
     
  13. James Hudson

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    Completely agree with ya. And it was a Biggs that was on a run of defeats that he beat
     
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  14. bailey

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    I'll give you another one to duck...
    Show me where I have said Mason was being lined up for a world title
    Will you duck or dodge that question?
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where has any of that been disputed?
    Seems like you are trying to change the debate to argue about something completely different?