The Brockton Bomber vs The Bronze Bomber

Oh yes ,that nameless "several people",I forgot about them!

 

Nobody was George Foreman who was very friendly with Joe outside the ring.

 

I guess I feel you and many give Wilder way to much credit for beating nobodies. Everyone can see how bad the competition is and No offense to Ortiz but I don’t think he cracks the top 10 in many decades. One of the slowest men I’ve ever seen compete for a belt. Being big isn’t a skill in boxing although many seem to think it is. It’s a draw for sure but not a precursor to victory. I hope Usyk dominates just to prove that point soon. Although wilder only weighing 210-220 for most his fights kind of proves the points as he is not a super hw he’s just tall.

 

How about the 50s, Marciano's decade? Do you think Ortiz would be out of his depth back then, and unable to secure a Top-10 ranking?

 

I don’t think much of Ortiz but if DonnC could get ranked so could Ortiz but I don’t see Ortiz ever being a threat. I’d take a lot of fighters of the 50s to dance circles around him.

 

Ortiz would beat
Cokkell
Dunlap
Lastarza
Baker
Walls
Neuhaus
Layne
Jackson
Harrison
Slade
Norkus
Sys
Gardner
Williams
Pastrano
Holman
Summerlin
Satterfield
Johnson Young Jack
That's nineteen men who were ranked contenders in Marciano's reign.

 

I’d def pick Layne and Lastarza over him and several others are live dogs. There is literally nothing special about Ortiz other then his girth. Lastarza runs circles around him all night. Ortiz is to slow to compete. I’m surprised he ever made it to where he is. faster guys would embarrass him on that list

 

Nothing special about him at all, and even less about that collection of average at best contenders!

 

Not the strongest era. I agree. Later 50s were better.

 

It's probably my senile old age ,but I don't understand your comment,sorry.

 

I meant George Foreman said Frazier was 5”9.

 

Well I wouldn't, and we can never prove it one way or another, so that is an end to the matter!

 

As opposed to nearly all of Wilder's victims!

 

Oh okay. Don't forget Frazier was lying down though!

 

It's a terrible HW era. The leftovers from last era are all pushing 40 and are still top fighters ... somehow.