The Brockton Bomber vs The Bronze Bomber

Who worth a sh*t did he fight who weighed over 200? That mummy of Joe Louis?

 

I still have Deontay blasting out Marciano. It took a unicorn fighter in Fury, a literal giant who moves like a guy 80 pounds lighter, to derail Wilder. Marciano would have none of the advantages Fury brings to the ring. He just wasn't quick enough or long enough to bridge the distance between Deontay's preferred range and his own. It's that simple.

 

Why? Wilder's thin spaghetti legs don't serve him well after he's hurt. Those tall and thin types usually don't take a good body punch. Neither does Wilder. Marciano comes in low and uses his shorter arms to his advantage. His hit harder than Fury to the head or body, and gas tank is better than Fury's too. Take away Wilders range, an he's in trouble vs a puncher.

I'm not saying Wilder can't win, but he took guys like Spilzka and Molina ( who hurt him ) 9 rounds. Wilder didn't exactly bust out those two mediocre guys who did not deserve a title shot, did he? Nope nope. He was about even with Spolzka on the cards. Let's see how Wilder does in his next fight. You might change your opinion. Way back there were some Marciano vs. Audley Harrison threads. Remember that guy? He could box and hit, but couldn't take it. Wilder is headed in that direction.

 

Initially I voted for Wilder, however after last night I must change my vote to Marciano. Wilder was absolutely clueless inside and exposed for his lack of fundamentals. Marciano hit much harder than Fury and had a much higher workrate. And this is coming from someone who's not even a fan of his.

 

Why does that matter? The fatter and slower a guy is, the more vulnerable he is to punchers. If Rocky was around today, I can see him at 205. Yeah, he's short but has the style to make it work as Tyson did. Wilder did some his best work, maybe 10-15 pounds north of 205.

Mike Grant was big. How did he do? If you cannot take power at heavy, you'd better have some defense, a fight controlling jab, and a counter to keep the better fighter off. Defensive head movement and footwork would help too. Wilder is 0-5 in these departments. He's flat out vulnerable to swarming attacker type who can punch, and was clinching any chance he could get vs. Fury. DO you think Fury hits harder than Rocky did?

Ortiz who was old, almost beat Wilder and had him hurt for sure in the first fight. He just gassed. Marciano is not gassing. I don't see Rocky beating any skilled super heavyweight with a jab. Wilder's not one of those types, and he's more vulnerable to the body or head than the recent skilled super heavies from 1990-present.

 

Maybe the era is so weak and Wilder fought practically zero competition to this point? That seems the more rational view.

 

So, now the diminutive framed Rocky is 20 pounds heavier? And he maintains his flexibility and his (overrated) work rate? Because those physiological changes don't have have consequences, do they?

 

Stop Seamus- Wilder was stopped by a small heavyweight Romanov in the amateurs so no doubt Marciano can reach his chin and body - I don't see Wilder fighting good backing up - he can only fight going forward- Ken Norton had that problem- Wilder can bang but despite his size Fury is not a puncher but his ring intelligence and instincts made him build a team and plan to victory - Marciano and his team used what he had to victory and he beat the best of his day ( a craftier and experienced era) Shavers was 6' and 210- Liston 6' - Tyson 5'10 215 - Marciano 5'11 190 - Frazier 5'11 205 - Wilder was 212 first fight vs Fury- Langford was 5'8 and 180

A man can be big but a chin is a chin is a chin - but a good thing Fury did was go to Wilders body - Marciano would do that and the pressure Wilder

I think what Fury showed us that he has a strong will and in that area Marciano was the posterboy

 

I say he moves like a guy 73.675 lbs lighter but to each his own...

 

Come on Seamus, you know well enough. Training has improved over the decades. Rocky could throw a lot of punches for a full 15 rounds, What makes you think he cannot do the same in a 12 round format with more girth to him? Just add 15-20 pounds to his 187 pound weight. I'm not suggest he goes Tua fat.

 

Where are all these 185lb or even 200lb HW champs beating SHWs in the last 40 years? There's been 2, Holyfield and Spinks. The latter got KO'd in 30 seconds and the latter went on a bulking program, involving steroids and HGH to get upto 220lbs because he knew he wasn't strong enough to compete at 190lbs.

Holyfield had a way bigger frame and way more technical skill than Marciano, yet got dominated when he faced SHWs.

Even if you include RJJ, Toney and Moorer, they bulked up and Toney used steroids. Moorer got knocked out twice by big punchers.

A 185lb Rocky gets KO'd in 1 round against Wilder. The sports moved on. P4P Rocky is better but this is the HW division.

 

"Zzzzzzzzzzzz"...(SSDD)..."Same S**T...Different Day!!!"

 

Well, by adding 20 pounds and insisting he has the flexibility, speed and output at 185, one would need to admit he is creating a fighter that Marciano was not.

 

Please tell me that the irony of this statement when defending Marciano does not escape you.

 

I think when imagining the likes of Rocky, Louis, Dempsey etc in the modern era, you have to assume that they are born and raised in the same 5 - 10 year period as AJ and Wilder, with the same nutritional benefits of hormone-infused food, sports science advancements and the natural generational size gains - I don't think it too far fetched to believe that they could weigh 15 - 20 lbs more today than when they boxed and still maintain a significant portion of the athleticism and explosiveness that they possessed in their primes.