The Brockton Bomber vs The Bronze Bomber

This sounds like an admitance that they were too small in their historic frames to compete. I do agree they'd bulk up to compete in the modern division

 

Not at all - I've said for years now that once a man hits around 185 lbs, with the right torque, speed and heavy handedness, he can knock out anybody.

Moreso, that the frames and sizes were in tune to the era they found themselves. Likewise, take most modern fighters and transport them to same day weigh-ins, one world champion, up to a dozen fights a year and 15 rounds, you'd likely find them less heavy and slicker of skillset.

If transported into this era, I wouldn't even call it Rocky bulking, just that the changes in ruleset would allow him to come in heavier anyway. He had to train hard to keep his weight down - not sure he would train so hard 50 years later.

 

You can say it all you want it doesn't make it true. No he can't knock out SHWs as easily as LHWs, that's illogical.

Also ATG 185lb punchers might hit hard but they don't hit nearly as hard as 230lb ATG punchers. And usually they find it harder to hit SHW ATG boxers.

Also the frequency of fights has nothing to do with how well you perform. That makes no sense whatsoever.

There's a reason we don't have any sub 6 foot, sub 201lb boxers at HW these days

 

I am not saying it's easier to knock out a SHW than a LHW, I am saying that a man of 185 lbs with the right mechanics can knock out anybody. No other qualifiers.

Frequency of fighting is extremely important to a fighter. It builds confidence, relaxation and adaptability to different styles and hones your offensive and defensive talents. If you fought in an era where you had to fight to eat, naturally, you quickly learnt how to defend yourself, how to avoid breaking hands, how to preserve yourself so you can continue making as much money as possible. Men of that era were more steely - less athletic Imho, but more steely. If you took two fighters of equal elite talent, all being equal other than one being three times more active, I'd bet 7/10 times that the more active fighter would be better prepared to find a solution inside the ring when outsized, outpunched outstrengthed than the less active fighter.

Activity doesn't dictate performance but it does contribute significantly to mastery and correct application of skill.

 

But thats not true, otherwise HW boxers wouldn't bulk up above 185/200lbs - depending on if a 185lber could legally compete.

Also it's not about 'being able to KO a fighter' - it's about being able to take a punch not get pushed back to negate your power and still KO a fighter. When was the last time a 200lb boxer ko'd a top HW weighing 200lbs or less?

We haven't seen anyone compete successfully at 200lbs or lower for 60 years. Marciano wouldn't be the exception to the rule.

 

So, half the croiwd in the discussion is talking about an imaginary fighter. Good to know.

 

Yeah, a 5'9 185 pounder with practically no jab is gonna excecute the sane game plan as a 6'9 275 mover who has a jab/outside game and can maul you upclose......I know I know...

 

A trained fighter somewhere around the 200 lbs mark with the skillset to land a clean punch that another fighter doesn't see coming is capable of knocking out any man, with exception to the few men in history who have absolutely elite iron jaws.

185 lbs - 200 lbs of solid, primed muscle will carry enough force to create the pressure needed on impact to spark the brain, at the very least, serious concussion.

Being able to wrestle with 250 lbs of muscle is another story and not one that I would argue for. A Dempsey or a Marciano could spark a Bowe IMO. Them being able to wrestle and withstand the return fire isn't my argument. Simply, that in the right circumstance, they could spark most men that have lived.

I agree that we won't see people as light as a Dempsey or a Marciano or Patterson be HW champ - people are generally bigger, the use of weight lifting and functional resistance training is more scientific and specific in fighter development, the growth hormones in today's food are undeniable and access to steroids much more common place. However, if fighters were more active, there was one title so everyone had to fight everybody to get their shot and fights went 15 rounds rather than 12 with a same day weigh in, I think you'd see fighters coming into the ring in better shape, weighing less.

 

And the thinking that a 185 pound runt is going to manhandle a 230 pound athlete like Wilder borders on the absurd. Wilder is bigger than defensive ends from Marciano's day.... Whatever... I guess it's like Jesus Freaks. If it gives meaning to your existence, all the best.

 

Yeah, I agree that it's fallacious.

I think people are extrapolating the lack of inside fighting skills on Deontay but conveniently overlooking that Fury had the size and ability to smother him and drive him backwards, control and maul him. Marciano's game plan would have to exploit flaws exposed, for want of a better word, by Fury, but if he tries to replicate Fury, he'd find he may have to adjust the gameplan.

 

How many alts do you have? Incredible.

 

Saint Primo was a SHW and from an old era everyone should love his majesty with the same admiration as a father.

Instead they despise our lord for both traits the heretical swine!

 

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