The Brown Bomber vs Big George.

Well i never actually said he was a slugger, not even close.

I was kinda thinking we both did

Given Foreman's chin and heart i really don't think Joe is getting out without some kind of chin check. Remember too lesser punchers than George put Joe down, and i don't quite share your view Joe isn't getting hit here. Lyle was a fair hitter, and even more compelling is that George's reputation had already been shattered, both in his own mind and the mind of his opponents.

I find it impossible to fathom most people thinking Frazier was the last person to use uppercuts against. The difference between Ali's ower and George's was monumental, a clean uppercut from George could spell the beginning of the end for Frazier.

 

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I agree.

Personaly I think he will pass the chin check. Again as his trainer I would tell him to batten down the hatches and prepare to take a few bombs to land his own counters. He did it against Max Baer. It is not a problem with the right preparation.

 

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You could well be right but i just can't stop thinking Foreman has a good punchers chance.

 

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I never said you did.

There is this axiom that you can't trade with Foreman and win. Louis could do so.

Lyle was a fair hitter, but nowhere near as hard as Louis. Foreman could possibly knock Louis down, but given that Foreman never knocked anyone out with one punch and given that Louis was never knocked out except with rounds upon rounds of warfare, it's hard to imagine a situation where Foreman can KO/TKO Louis.

Reputation and intimidation wouldn't be very relevant to this fight. I don't think either of them can intimidate the other.

Foreman, like Ali, had long arms which supposedly would ****** his ability to uppercut properly against Frazier, since he'd have to load up more and thus leave himself open to the left hook which Frazier used to turn Ali's legs to jelly. Louis was aware that Foreman's uppercut could be very effective against Frazier.

Consider this- if you were back in December 1972, training Foreman, with no knowledge of the future, would you want him loading up with uppercuts against Frazier? Foreman's team didn't, until Joe Louis set them straight hours before the fight.

 

True but the convo twisted and it seemed like you thought i was implying Foreman was a swarmer. I meant swarmer last post, not slugger sorry.

Maybe, i am still not convinced Joe faced dangers of the ilk of Foreman. Most rate him top 10, what top 10 ATG punchers did Joe face?

Solid post, but strange things can and do happen. Again, i still don't think Joe ever faced such a stoppage threat as George. I guess it depends how you rank George compared to Joe's opposition. I compare him above all.

Inside the ring they could.

Foreman could actually land uppercuts from quite a distance. If memory serves me right he dished a few up from long distance in this fight.

 

It should be noted that Buddy Baer is commonly rated as an all time great puncher. He was 6'6 1/2", and weighed sometimes as much as 250Lbs, plus had 45 knockout in 50 wins. Louis also faced Marciano who is another all time great rated puncher.

 

I've seen Baer, i rate Foreman a far better fighter. You will notice that i said top 10 ATG, fighter not puncher. Shavers hit huge and was physically imposoing too but was beaten by most every top fighter he faced. Marciano cleaned Joe up, tho he was past it. Even so Marciano isn't going to quite generate Foreman's power IMO.

 

OK I will try another tack.

I would be more concearned about matching Louis with Joe Frazier than George Foreman.

Anybody agree with me on that or strongly disagree for that matter?

 

Not that it's a big deal, but this is actually what you said

 

I would agree

Frazier had more hand speed than Foreman, as well as most of the people Louis ever faced. Additionally, Louis was often suseptible to getting hit with the left hook, and Frazier was historically one of the division's best left hookers. Lastly, Frazier was a shorter swarmer type, which gave Louis trouble such as the Marciano's and Galento's. Foreman, however more closely resembled the likes of Max Baer and Buddy Baer whom Louis typically ate for breakfast.