by Asker I agree with Stone that Wills was mainly famous for being avoided by Jack Dempsey. However Dempsey did sign a contract to fight Wills in 1924, either Tex Rickard or Jack "Doc" Kearns called of the fight though because at that time America did not want the risk of another black heavyweight champion. After the way Jack Johnson had acted another black man wouldn't be allowed to fight for the heavyweight title until Joe Louis in 1937. Wills was a big strong heavyweight and a decent contender but I wouldn't pick him to beat Jack Dempsey and with respect I wouldn't call him an all time great. He beat some good fighters but most of his best wins were over opponents who were smaller and older than he, eg: Gunboat Smith, Jeff Clarke, Sam Langford, Sam McVey, Joe Jeanette. Also in 1926 he had back to back inside the distance defeats to future heavyweight champion Jack Sharkey, who was 24 lb lighter and comparatively inexperienced, also to contender Paulino Uzcaden. Why is Langford rated higher when Wills beat him? Well that's like saying why is Muhammad Ali ranked above Trevor Berbick. Langford was way past his prime when he fought Wills, also he was around nine inches shorter and considerably lighter. Add to that the fact that he was blind in one eye for many of the Wills fights, in 1917 his eye got damaged in a bout with Fred Fulton. Before his fights with Wills however he was a terror from lightweight to heavyweight, beating many top contenders and future hall of fame boxers. Remember too that Langford, although past his best knocked Wills out twice. To summarize, Wills was very good, not great. He was unlucky not to have been given a shot vs Dempsey as he was deserving, however he didn't beat the quality of opposition Langford did and was in my opinion lucky to fight Langford when he did.
They got his nickname wrong. It came from Damon Runyon http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-...gc.r_pw.&fp=44042e544f956246&biw=1280&bih=907 Sharkey Needs But Little To Conquer Wills .Sport Expert Sees Brown ... By DAMON RUNYON . NEW YORK, Oct. Over in Ebbets' field tomorrow night, ... Harry Wills, tho Brown Panther of New Orleans, meets Mr. Jack Sharkey, Lithuania, ... By Damon Runyon.
McVey All the reading I have done points to the Wills-Firpo fight as being a one-sided victory for Wills, if a boring fight. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is off topic, but as long as hokey old Grantland Rice has been brought up, this is an evaluation by a modern sportswriter: He begins by quoting Rice "A cyclone can't be snared. It may be surrounded, but somewhere it breaks through to keep on going. When the cyclone starts from South Bend, where the candle lights still gleam through the Indiana sycamores, those in the way must take to storm cellars at top speed. Yesterday the cyclone struck again as Notre Dame beat the Army, 13 to 7, with a set of backfield stars that ripped and crashed through a strong Army defense with more speed and power than the warring cadets could meet." And his comment The Four Horsemen now have become a cyclone full of stars in a war of some kind. Metaphors martial, meteorlogical, and celestial, tumbling on top of one another in the same sentence, and we're only a few words away from "a tank with the speed of a motorcycle" and quartet of football players with "the mixed blood of the tiger and the antelope." Calling this purple prose is to suggest he wasn't using the whole crayon box at once. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- **Rice was also a Southerner who was not likely to give Wills a break when evaluating his chances against Dempsey. It might be instructive to read what black sportswriters had to say. I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were a different point of view. I am sorry about taking a shot at old Granny, but I couldn't resist. I find his "style" an hilarious example of over-the-top writing.
One of the biggest surprizes that I have had looking at old articles, is just how highly regarded Wills was during his prime, and how much media coverage he received. It almost seems as if he was airbrushed out of history after he started to loose. As if it was not enough to remove him from title contention, and the traces of the foul deed had to be kicked over as well.
I am happy to call him the Brown Panther, if it suits ,why be pedantic? N B I've changed the title of the thread. Well spotted:good
Who really knows? I've never seen Wills fight on film before..... I only know what I've read.... Yeah, Wills was a bad-ass of the teens and twenties, and also big for that era as well..... As for wanting Jack Dempsey, yeah, it would've been a great fight... BUT! Wills was 6 years older and already age 30 when 24 year old Dempsey KO'd Jesse Willard in 1919.... I'm not sure a 1920 Harry Wills could've beaten Dempsey at that time..... It's possible..... As for Wills of 1918 or so meeting Joe Louis of 1940, it's a toss-up..... I just don't know enough of Wills...... I've got clips and fights of Louis up the ass to review..... MR.BILL:bbb
I'm not one to normally buy into the bull**** that a certain fighter was gottdamn bad-ass that nobody would fight him and thus, never granted a title shot.... BUT! In the case of Harry Wills and his era of fighting from 1911 to 1932, I will cut this dude some slack, cuz he was jacked around by white America in his prime.... Too bad that "I was ducked" crap doesn't fly straight with me in the case of Charlie Burley.... I never saw Burley fight, but by the 1940s and 1950s even though racism was still running high all across the USA, Burley fought in a golden era in which he should've gotten all the chances / opportunites in the world.... Bottom Line: POOR MANAGEMENT! All in all, Wills was truly screwed over by corporate America; Burley had a shitty manager..... MR.BILL
It is not just the coverage, but also how many fans he had. He was the second highest paid fighter in the world, easiley! and he drew absolutley massive crowds. Presumably white crowds. Hard to say he was badly managed to not get a title shot really. When you are making as much money as Wills was, a title shot is less relevant. He didnt need it bad enough to really make it happen, and i doubt he was too worried that it didnt happen, as much as he would have loved the chance, i am sure.
Louis, by easy win. Wills is one of those fighters with a mythology about him, that's all. He stepped up and got beat easy. Joe Louis fought and beat some of best from 3 decades. No compassion