The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

It's funny how these old time fighter revisionist's come up with any possible excuse to defend loses by there fighter's but don't give newer fighter's who we have seen these things happen to the same chance. In regars to riddick bowe and carnera, lol i don't like riddick bowe but to say that carnera was harder to it cleanly is scraping the barrel.

 

Do you dismiss the posibility that this fight was not on the level?

 

You call me a revisionist?

If you want to talk about revisionism then I suggest that you look at what people who actualy saw Dempsey fight said about him.

They were singing from my songsheet not yours and continued to do so well into the reign of Mike Tyson.

 

I like dempsey and rate him as the fourth best heavyweight of all time and p4p better than lewis, i don't however think that lewis a 6'5 240+ guy with a great arsenal of punch's and boxing skill is a good match up for dempsey, he may have beaten big fighter's but compared to lewis those big fighter's where bums.

 

Lewis is the best of the big fighters so by definition anybody who has not fought Lewis has not fought a superheavyweight like him.

I would certainly not say that the big fighters Dempsey beat were bums.

Fred Fulton was a large and athletic fighter with good boxing skills seen as the heir aparent to Jess Willard. When Dempsey fought him it was seen as an pick em type of fight but it lasted a matter of seconds.

Jess Willard was limited but was he really any worse than some of the big guys who gave Lewis his hands full like Shanon Briggs?

I would give Luis Firpo an excelent chance of beating Hasim Ramhan head to head.

While these fighters are not great they are the type that must form the bread and butter of a proven record against larger fighters in any era.

 

Do you honestly think hasim rahman would have had any chance against lewis, if lewis had trained for the fight and didn't hang his chin out taunting him. In the second fight lewis battered him and didn't look tired after a couple of rounds. I accept this as a loss but when people say things like dempsey took a dive or he was old etc why do they not take things like this into account with the losses lewis had.
Also i wasn't saying the fighter's dempsey fought where bums, but i think in comparison to lewis the big men dempsey fought where bums.

 

His mental makeup? He'll never be a relaxed fighter like Toney, but he's no quitter either. He always got up and went on to win on several seperate occasions. I recently watched Wlad-Barret, this was a really dirty fight, particularly from Wlad's side. Holding and hitting, butting (Barret's answer), elbows and what not. Barret made it into a streetfight but Wlad knocked him out anyway. A very bloody KO, by the way. A glancing blow raked his eyebrow all the way open and it bled like a fountain, not a pretty sight.

And so it Lewis. And he's got 50 pounds in natural weight on Dempsey.

How confident would you by in picking a p4p great middleweight over an equally great (p4p) 190lb heavyweight, say Marciano or Schmeling?

You see, this is a myth often brought forth by supporters of the sub200lb heavyweights. "They lost the weight because they had to fight harder".

But when you look at Dempsey's ring record you will see that he was scheduled to fight 20 rounds only one time in his career and 15 rounds only seven times in his career. For the 20 rounder he was 185lb, for a 15 rounder 187lb, big deal.

Hell, half of his title fights were over 10 and even 4 rounds! Can you imagine a fighter getting away with that today, aside from leaving the title in a dusty drawer for a full 3 years only to get knocked down twice by a very mediocre, wild swinger, because he's one of the few 210+lb punchers he faced? Not to mention the controversy because he was helped back in the ring. If there was an ESB back then, prepare to read "Dempsey is a fraud", "Dempsey cheated" etc all the time like we still have about Lewis vs Klitschko today.



Ali, Liston, Foreman, Tyson etc all have had their fights scheduled for 15 rounds, did they come down to 190lb? No, they fought for 15 rounds at 210+lb just fine. These are facts, not opinions.


Dempsey was just a smaller man naturally, how hard is that to admit?