The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

Age has no impact. Its your final Lean body Mass. Its like saying Castillo is the same size as Willie Pepp because they both started at the same weight - featherweight (sugar Ray Robinson also started at 126 and fought Pepp in the Ams). Or is Duran is the same size as Jofre because they both started at battamweights.

The fact is having 25lbs of muscle on your opponent gives you a huge advantage all things being equal

According to Dempseys biography he put weights in his pockets to weigh heavier than he was as he was weighing below 175. This must have been for ranked fights - possibly title fights, so he was a light heavyweight in his prime.

 

The steroids issue is a valid point and this is 1 problem with comparing eras - old school fighters dont have the same technologies. If Dempsey brought the same package at 210lbs it may be different. The 190lb package gets dealt with quite easily though.

Dempsey would not be a MASSIVE puncher as everyone believes in todays HW division.

He would have decent power, but his power is being overated from KO'ing strongmen with no boxing defense. Dempsey wasn't as impressive against the best LHWs of his time so he isn't going to be devastating against skilled Super Heavyweights. He isn't going to get away with lunging haymakers against better fighters - Willard and Firpo made him look good because they were so poor

 

I may revamp it and post it in a few days

 

Not if he had weights in his pocket he didnt

 

If he hadn't beaten Wills (a big if because Wills was a skilled big man, not an oath like Willard), top 6. The floored comparison people give for picking Dempsey is 'he did well against big men'. Completely ignoring the fact a past prime Wills easily beat Firpo without getting floored. No Dempsey did well against unskilled slow big men with no defense.

I've probably got Wills slightly too high now I think about it but I think he should be above Dempsey for ranking as the premier HW from 1914-1926 but his legacy is obviously hurt from not beating the other top dog from his era (Dempsey). Wills showed allot more longevity than Dempsey and had far far fights against ranked opposition.

 

Lennox never fought someone with the low level barbaric skills Firpo brought to the table and Firpo isn't landing anything on Lewis any day of the weak.

Grant clearly had visibly more skill than Firpo but he was flawed (in more ways than 1 :hey )

No ones talking about greatness were talking about general boxing skill.

Do you honestly seeing Firpo or Willard getting past the second round if Lennox jumps on them? Lennoxs wins over Golota, Grant and Rudduck are more impressive than these because those 3 had better defense, were faster, more athletic and better boxers

 

Yes but a fully hydrated 180 would still be a LHW today (he'd just cut 5lbs of water). Dempsey also wasnt at his best against Firpo

Can we imagine what Lennox would have done to RJJ, Tarver or DM?? Or even Jirov for that matter