The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

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  1. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think that dempsey was that hard to hit, i do however think it was hard to hit him with clean flush shots.He did have excellent movement and was elusive for such an offensive fighter.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have Louis and Johnson ahead of Wills because I think overall they have better resumes with Louis displaying more dominance and excellence against his opposition.

    You could certainly make a good case to have Wills ahead of Johnson. You can also make a good case to have Marciano ahead of Wills.

    The 'experts' may not have been 'racists' as such but to claim they weren't racially biased is another matter, especially in those days. The 'experts' in Alis day didnt put him in the top10 if I remember correctly and he wasn't thought of highly until he beat Foreman.
     
  3. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think half of those guys have more natural talent than roy jones jr, also you can't count pep twice mate, he was good but not that good.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because hes uses a Floyd Patterson style jump in with a left hook and hop I'm not side stepped and clocked. If Firpo can knock you out the ring you've made a horrible mistake that an elite fighter would punnish you for. Now all fighters make mistakes but thats a pretty bad 1 AND HE MADE IT TWICE IN THAT FIGHT. Lewis leaped in against McCall but McCall needed a far better counter than Firpo would be able to provide. This isn't even looking at how Tunney managed to be able to counter Dempsey so dominantly.
     
  5. rydersonthestorm

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    Also do you think mccall could have hit a prime lewis trained by manny with that counter, i think lewis either wouldn't have jumped in or would have been able to slip the punch.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loads of fighters pressured RJJ unsuccessfully, he was so hard to hit cleanly in his prime. And if you apply too much pressure it leaves countering opportunities. And RJJ would punnish a man with

    The point is RJJ doesn't get hit very often and Dempsey wouldn't be able to hit RJJ often. Gibbons isn't in RJJs league in terms of hitting and not getting hit.

    Seriously if Walcott and Charles can win the early rounds against Marciano then RJJ would certainly win the early rounds against him and maybe the decision. And if Tunney can pull off a UD against Dempsey than why not the faster more elusive RJJ?
     
  7. McGrain

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    It's possible that you have a point, but how do these stategical errors make Dempsey easier to hit clean than the boys you mentioned? If we look at Dempsey's finest moment v Willard he's hardly out of the firing zone once the trouble starts and he doesn't look like someone who'd be easy to hit until the job is as good as done...on his way in, I would say that Dempsey is the hardest HW to hit, bar none. Stationary that is not the case, but he was rarely stationary.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    None of those fighters have RJJs combination of P4P speed & power.

    Some may be better schooled (not all) but in terms of a boxing athlete RJJ is the best boxing has ever seen
     
  9. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well i do think pep, robinson and duran might on his level the other i don't agree.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    I find it surprising that this thread has survived as long as it has. I would think that we'd have a larger concensus in favour of Lewis over Dempsey.
     
  11. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well from what i have read 90% lewis against 10% dempsey
     
  12. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    this is not a thread of Lewis vs Dempsey but about Lewis's legacy.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whenever you throw a punch it leaves you opponent to being hit. The wider and more foreful the punch the more space there is for a counter punch. Dempsey would just be far too aggressive and leave himself far too open to counters.

    Whenever you move inside as a boxer you risk been hit. Dempsey was great at slipping the jab to get inside BUT Lennox would trebble his jab. Against a 84 inch reach and 6'5 HW who trebbles the jab it is far harder to get inside. It is also made harder by a tight defense and someone who can throw fast right hand counters or massive uppercuts on the inside like Lennox could do. Lennox would also be the far far stronger man and push Dempsey back whenever he tried to get inside.

    The bottom line is Dempsey is going to be far more open to big punches than Lennox is due to his aggressive style leaving him wide open. Lennox will land his power shots, Dempsey won't, which spells Dempsey getting ko'd
     
  14. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Dempsey is ten times harder to nail cleanly then slow and big Vitaly, one dimensional Tua, or eroded Tyson. And Golota :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  15. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Tunney beat an old out of shape Dempsey who had not fought in three years.to even think Jones could beat Dempsey or Marciano is beyond belief, he never could do that