The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

I have only quoted the parts that i don't agree with or have a comment on to save space:

I don't think Dempsey approaches the maximum of human punching power for a boxer (though p4p he probably does).
We can't really argue over this; you think about it your way and i have my own views.

I can only say that Lewis is much more proven in scoring knockouts over bigger, talented men.

Maybe i used the wrong words, but i will restate: I believe a big, talented puncher (not 'fighter', but 'puncher' - a fighter with specific talent for punching) will be a more dangerous puncher than a smaller, but p4p equally talented puncher.

For example, i believe that Tyson is a more dangerous puncher than Marciano simply because he has 30lb on him, despite that p4p they are both great punchers and scored a roughly equal amount of one-punch-KO's over opposition off roughly both their own size.

Good point. :good

I also liked the term of "re-cutting". I hadn't given it a name, but i know exactly what you mean. Sometimes the ring can become a really small place.

 

So firpo and willard hit harder than mike tyson and vitali i am not sure about that mate.
I think everyone agree's that lewis wasn't the goat, however while most people are excepting that dempsey etc are great fighter's, number 4 on my list alot of guys speaking for the old pro's seem to want to denegrate lewis who proved to be a great champion and the best heavyweight of the past couple of decades.

 

Jeffries had much more favourable career conditions than Johnson or Dempsey. He had a amateur experience and good financial backing from day one. Even so he is a bit of an enigma.

If you are going to make Lewis fight under the same conditions as Dempsey in his early career then there is not a chance in hell that he or anybody else goes undefeated.

 

There were quite a few quotes in your response to Chris that I would have liked to address, but for now, i think I'll just stick to this one.

Prior to facing Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko had beaten Herbie Hide, Larry Donald, Vaugn Bean, Timo Hoffman, Obed Sullivan and Ed Mahone, all of whom were ranked fighters, and some of them were title fights or title eliminators.

 

I should not have to explain to you that fighters of this period could get as far a commonwealth champion or title prospect before any of their fights apear on boxrec.

 

Were any ranked when he fought them?

 

Lewis didn't fight in those condtions and dempsey did, how are you to know what would happen, have you gone back in time with lewis and done this, the answer is no please just stick to stuff you can prove or give reference on not pure speculation.

 

Punch for punch they might well have done.

Willard did break Bull Youngs neck with an uppercut.

Firpos party trick was killing bulls by punching them in the kidneys.

I dont think these guys were short on power.

 

Mate it is physiologicaly imossible to be consistently sucessfull at a world level unless you can make it your 9-5 job and have a high calorie intake.

You need to train about twelve hours a day to fight at a world level. If you are working as a coal heaver the previous day or going for long periods without food you will never get verry far.

A big man like Lewis would be less competitive than most.

 

Come on mate tyson is a top 20 all time great with a big arsenal of punch's and vitali is a huge puncher, i suspect tyson and vitali have greater accuracy and combine this with there power make them better puncher's. You use the same logic for dempsey etc so you have to apply it when saying lewis didn't face punchers as good as firpo and willard.

 

Undoubtedly.

My argument is that Dempsey is proven against fighters with top end power if not technique. His cin is proven vs the Ramhans and McCalls of this world.

 

and first round ko's don't measure greatness, i didn't ever claim that

 

I'm guessing that they had to have been given, that some of those fights were world title eliminators or title fights.

See for yourself

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7033&cat=boxer

 

Have you seen lewis now he is more like 300 plus pounds without training he is a beats of a man,