The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

Your a fool, read the thread before you make stupid comments, and calling him chinnox makes you out to be the troll that you are. Not one person in the thread has said he was the goat, it was just speculation.

 

I promised myself I wouldn't click on this thread because i'll only get exasperated...the first thing I see "...and Charlie Chaplin really walked like that" in response to criticism of Big Jess. So are you saying Willard just acted that clueless and inept?

 

To everyone here making long posts: it's really simple, just put a /quote for each quote that you write (with the brackets) so that it won't get messed up.

I have to disagree here, on both accounts. Ali (in his prime) was a lighting quick punches who landed sharp punches on any opponent and while they never saw them coming and were suprised, they were rarely knocked down. Why? Because Ali was not a hard puncher. Neither was Tunney, at lightheavyweight. Nor at heavyweight.

Holyfield knocked Bowe down, knocked Mercer down and knocked Tyson out. He proved that he was able to hurt and in some cases finish very durable, big heavyweights. Tunney did not even fight a 200+lb heavyweight in his entire life, let alone hurt one. Well, outside of that 5'7 fat guy Heeney.

Johnson, Sanders and Williams were ranked contenders. That's 3-2 (3) if we include the losses. Like i said, his record is deceiving because of injuries.

I honestly do think so. Question is could Dempsey get rid of Ruddock, Golota, Grant and Rahman as quick as Lewis did? He never proved himself against big talented men like that.

He is certainly more agressive, no doubt there.

Why is that? Willard killed a man. Well that's nice, but take into account that people back then fought under **** circumstances. Not to mention that they were ****ing sadists. Have Lewis fight those lightheavies and cruiserweights with small gloves and sadistic referees and i wouldn't be suprised if someone was put to sleep forever as well.

And that story of Firpo knocking out a bull...... well that's impressive, but Duran is most definitly a hard puncher, he knocked out a horse!

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Anyway, even if we agreed that Willard and Firpo punch as hard as some of Lewis' hardest punching opponents, take into account:

1. Firpo and Willard both had absolutely horrible delivery. Firpo telegraphed his punches like hell and Willard wasn't exactly fast either. Say what you will about Briggs (for instance), shitty defense, no stamina, but his hands are fast as hell, as well as heavy. Ruddock, Golota, Tua, Klitschko, Tyson, Grant, Bruno etc all had much, much better boxing skills and therefore better ability to land their punches.

2. Willard never landed much on Dempsey and while this speak positive about his defense, it does not guarantee that he could take his punch

3. Firpo did land his best punch and what happened? Dempsey was knocked down twice, once out of the ring and was helped back in by thirds.

4. Even if Willards and Firpo punched as hard as Lewis' opponents, Dempsey then faced 2 punchers, whereas Lewis faced about 10. Who is more proven?


So it doesn't exactly speak well about Dempsey that the one 200+lb puncher, whom i am not impressed by, that managed to land on him, knocked him down twice, once out of the ring.

He fought 2 punchers over 200lb, the one who landed knocked him down badly. The top punchers that Dempey faced in my opinion are not in the same ballpark as Lewis', and even so, Lewis faced about 10, not 2.

I don't really know what you mean with being a tall midget.
A tall midget suggests that you are the largest(as in most skillful) of all small guys. Lewis was the most skillful and talented of all small guys. Meaning he's p4p very skilled AND has great size to go with it.

How often do i need to repeat this? Dempsey fought 15 , 12 and 10 rounds often enough, and didn't all of a sudden become a 216 lb Mike Tyson.
And vice versa, Mike Tyson didn't all of a sudden become a scrawny 190lb fighter when he was scheduled to fight 15 rounds.

I wouldn't say his skills exceed Ruiz's that far. His boxing technique may, but Ruiz has a few "skills" of his own to win fights. Ugly, but effective.

It was in fact Dempsey who was laughing stock, i have read newspaper articles basically calling him a cheat on how he retained the title.
There would definitly be a rematch and i doubt Firpo would have the luck of knocking him out of the ring again, but give him credit here. Knocking Dempsey down on itself was not luck.

Why are you so confident about Firpo's chances when Rahman easily accomplished more? I don't understand how you can perceive Firpo to more skilled either, he swings like most guys that come in the gym for the first time, thinking they're Mike Tyson.

Does he? Why would he walk the streets at 190lbs if he finished training camp (=losing weight) at 203lb? Maybe he did in his early 20's but that's about it. And Lewis walks the streets around 300lbs. So i don't really see your point.

Not to mention that no one on the planet gave Byrd a chance against Lewis. Look how he was completely dominated by Wladimir twice, who is as close to Lewis copy as you'll get.

No, you stated that Foreman was a 210lbs fighter, not me.
At any rate, Ali and Foreman could carry 220lb without carrying much fat. Lewis carries 245lb without much fat and Holyfield carries 212lb without much fat. Dempsey carries 190lb without much fat. I don't see the comparison really.

 

The funny thing is that Dempsey does look good despite the bad film, but when Willard looks bad, all of a sudden it's the film that's wrong, not him.

 

I'm a huge Dempsey fan but that Ring list, which I have, is a p4p list. Certainly Lewis hit harder than Dempsey in an absolute sense.

 

If you want to cite the Ring Magazine writes, I have a Ring magazine at home that picked a prime Lewis over a prime Foreman.

 

Than why did Tyson has the lower ko percent than the Rock?