The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

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  1. janitor

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    Willard had the strength to shift Dempsey around the ring and did but look how much good it did him.
     
  2. rydersonthestorm

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    Yes but lewis already beat holyfield when he had more weight, so a smaller holyfield is in big trouble. Also lewis used is size to his advantage as you have already said he is the best super heavyweight ever.
     
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  4. My dinner with Conteh

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  5. janitor

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    This seems to be the crux of your counterargument.

    Did Mickey Walker have little man syndrome?
     
  6. McGrain

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    How important is size to you?

    To me, it matters, but it's just another significant thing for an opponent to get over. Like a world class jab or great cutting skills.
     
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    When a fighter has a better boxing skills and outweighs a fighter by 40 pounds and is in very good shape, it's extremely important. Yes, in short: a good big un beats a good little un as has been well documented. Of course a good little un (Dempsey) can beat an average big un (Willard) and great little uns can overcome good big un's.

    Little un's are best adopting a stick and move approach (like Griffith did with Tiger and Tiger did with Torres) or they'll come unstuck far more than they'd be successful. This is obvious, really.


    ps. I don't mind discussing this with you or some others, but not that midget. :good
     
  9. rydersonthestorm

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    What happned to your points about holyfield janitor?
     
  10. janitor

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    I would suggest that the cruiserweight Hollyfield-

    A. Would probably beat the heavyweight Holyfield.

    B. Would not do as well against the Bowe and Lewis as the heavyweight version but would be highly competitive against them.

    C. Might not have lost to Michael Moorer.

    D. Would not have had heart problems.

    E. Would have beaten Tyson both times.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    If Dempsey were to fight Lewis, it wouldn't be as though he were facing a big journeyman or bum. He would be squaring off with a very talented natural heavyweight with better than average boxing ability, chin, power, stamina and ring generalship. Lewis would also have nearly 5 inches and as much as 40 to 50 Lbs in weight. Dempsey was an aggressive fast starter with very fine tuned puncher's skills. I simply don't see him being very effective against Lewis though.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Griffith, though, was surprised at how well he did in the clinches, and remarked upon it. Moving throught the entire fight seemed the greater of the two evils to him though, and I think I understand why. Tiger almost always caught and decisioned those guys (or was astonished when he failed to do so). Moving was only a part of that fights equation.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I pick Lewis, but I think the deciding factor is Lewis' infighting skills, especially against smaller men, not size as a deciding, or even major factor.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    This seems like a thinly veiled attempt at trying to imply that 190 pound Dempsey would do just as well or better in a modern heavyweight division as Holyfield actually did.

    Am I correct?
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Fair enough,