The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

Fighters, trainers, fans and the like always vote for the guy from their era. Just like a fan from the 1980s would do. However, when it comes down to it: a good big un wins out far more often than not, boxing history has shown us that.

 

I agree.

This is why I've always felt that Nat Feischer's ratings were biased. If he were living today, I'm not so sure he'd have Lennox Lewis or Muhammad Ali in his top 5.

 

He wouldn't. Although I'm interested when he compares, say, fighters from 1912 to ones from 1925 (for example) because they're close enough eras.

 

Again, I can respect old timers (despite their oft bias) in rating, say, Greb above Robinson, as we know there's a limit (e.g. 160 pounds). But it's clearly different for heavyweights.

 

I here what you're saying.

In all honesty, like all fight fans I have the tendency to be a bit biased myself. I'm often partial to fighters like Ali, Holmes, Tyson, and Holyfield over that of Lewis, Bowe, and Klitschko. Nevertheless, I try my best to give every champion of every era his rightful dues and keep in mind that they're all unique. It has taken some time, but I'm finally starting to appreciate Wladimir Klitschko for his accomplishements. I think he may actually turn out to be a well rememberered fighter in a few decades, assuming that he continues to win now.

 

Like Holyfield-Bowe I but this Holyfield not lasting the difference. And he won't have the succes in outjabbing Lewis like he had against Bowe.

I agree that he would not have likely had those "heart" problems against Moorer and Bowe III without bulking up, but so be it.


Oh, and a 190lb Holyfield definitly gets obliterated by Tyson.
The main reason that Holyfield beat Tyson was because of physical strength. Everytime Tyson came close during the first 5 rounds, Holyfield would duck and tie Tyson up, push him back, etc. Do you honestly believe that a 190lb Holyfield would be as strong as the 212lb weight trained Holyfield? He also seems to be more durable and punched a little bit harder.

All essential against Tyson, because he did take a lot of hard shots during the first 6 rounds. The knockdown seemed to turn the tide a bit.

 

He was not. Dempsey has slipped on lists but so has many others. In 50 years time people might lower Ali. He wasn't too small to compete with modern greats and he has a chance vs anyone at his best. The fact that people belive Jones could beat Dempsey and Marciano is clearly a joke. He had all the talent to compete with anyone.

 

Why in your opinion, is it a joke that Roy Jones could beat Dempsey?

 

Yes it is. I know Jones was a great fighter from middle to light-heavy but he does not beat Dempsey or Marciano for that matter. Again if someone said a modern great like Lewis could beat Dempsey, then fine, that's reasonable. But to try to make Roy into some sort of all time great heavy who could take Dempsey or Marciano is clearly not logical. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, that's fine and i know alot of the old timers are biased but many modern fans are biased too. I guess everyone is biased to a certain extent, some more so then others. And while a prime Tyson may be able to beat Dempsey, a 35 year old one does not. You are entitled to what you belive, fine, i can respect that.

 

I didn't say that I believed anything in my last post. I'll repeat my question:

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, is it a joke that Roy Jones could beat Dempsey?

 

yes, it is. He has no chance, that's what i believe.

 

Apparently, there are some language barriers here.

WHY do you feel that it's a joke?

Does that clear things up?

 

And 6'1 190 lb is no midget. So he was 15 pounds lighter then Frazier, i will agree that it's a pretty big difference but not so much. Anyone who thinks that because of their size Dempsey or Marciano could not compete in the modern era needs to re think.

If u think logically, the only 6'4 plus 230 lb great is Lewis who has a great case to be an atg top 10 and is so in my book. On the other hand Bowe is one who is top 20 or 30. Other then that the likes of Vitaly, McLine, Peter, whoever will not go down as all time greats. Again size is an advantage but not to the extent people make it out to be.

When i see big slow heavyweights lumbering around (not Lewis or Bowe since they had skill) i really wander the beatings they would have taken from past greats even if they were cruisers like Dempsey, Louis, or Marciano

 

Because he does not have the power to knock Dempsey out or the agression, and while he could do well for a few rounds, he does not have the durability to stand up to Dempsey, it's as simple as that IMO. And he cannot escape him for the entire fight.

I respect Roy's abilites and he was a gifted fighter but he doesn't beat Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, or Frazier as it has been repeatedly claimed on here