The Case for Vitali Klitschko for Top 10 All time

I disagree. List your ten best wins for Liston and Dempsey, and you'll see Vitali has better depth, length of tenure as champion and less ugly losses.

This could open some eyes. The question is, are you willing to follow through with the request? By the reply of not even arguably, you should have no issues with the request.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct on at least 2 of 3 here, Janitor.

 

100% False. Dino, as I said before you a terrible hater representative.

The following fighters was in the top ten of Ring Magazine when Vitali beat them:

Chisora
Solis
Adamek
Johnson
Arreola
Gomez
Peter
Sanders
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That is NINE right there, and there could me more. You count of four underscores how uninformed you actually are.

 

Fail. We were talking about rankers beat after his comeback.
Take your time to understand your surroundings bofore diving in head first in future yeah?

 

How about guys like Liston, Bowe, and some others?

Plenty of people talk about how great Liston was everyday but how many great fighters did he beat? Liston beat Patterson KO1 x2 (the only Hall of Famer he beat), Machen W12, and Folley KO3. They were all right around 6' and less than 200 Lbs. He beat Cleveland Williams KO3 and KO2... Williams was around Liston's weight and he was taller than Liston but he was not a top HW.

Liston went 2-2 (2) in HW World Title fights... he beat Patterson twice and lost to Ali twice. He was down vs. Ali and Martin. He was stopped 3 times.

At what point do we start looking at how these guys would do head to head?

 

There's the rub, and why it's so hard to compile a credible top 10 list. As soon as you talk H2H, guys like Vitali, who aren't on a top 10 list resume' wise, come into the picture.

But they come into the picture on the basis of educated opinions, and we know what they say about opinions, right?

It really depends on how you weight your top 10 list, and how much emphasis you put on H2H.

If you put a lot of emphasis on H2H, then Vitali is up there.

 

I put a lot of emphasis on it. You can't just put a guy up there based on a couple of good fights though... like "Tokyo Douglas". Vitali was in enough credible fights to give us a good idea of how well he would do in other eras.

He was more than just a big guy, we've seen plenty of big guys in the HW division that won't be remembered like Vitali will be.

Head to head and prime vs. prime? I think Vitali stops Wladimir. Where I come from that makes him the better fighter.

 

better than Dempsey?? r u kidding me. vitali was never facing the top contender on his way up nor at the top.

u need to stop comparing a part time on off titlist like vits with undisputed greats.

 

If you are talking about his comeback in his late 30's, 4+ years removed from the ring, the following were ranked when he beat them

Chisora
Solis
Adamek
Johnson
Arreola
Gomez
Peter

I count seven. Your count of four is way off.

 

While you are a better poster than Dino, you have much to learn. Dempsey on the way up lost to far worse opposition including a KO 1 against, and as champion avoided his best two contenders in Wills and Greb. These are known facts, to any serious fan or historian. Perhaps you are neither, and that's okay.

His won the title from an older an inactive champion, and his depth of fighters fought as champion and quality of opposition lags behind Vitali's.

Also Vitali wasn't part time. he was rather active, even as an older fighter.

 

Chizzo , K-Pin , Slobis weren't top 10 rankers.

 

Vitali fought in the worst HW division known to man. An era where a shot , fat middle weight held a top 5 ranking.

Vitali still only fought about 40% of it. And all the guys he did fight shared all the same traits and characteristics.
He basically fought the same small , lowly skilled ,come forward plodders he whole career.
Two times he faced opponents who didn't match that description and two times he lost

There isn't anything to suggest he was a h2h beast in his own era , never mind all time one against the best the division had to offer.

I keep hearing about being tuff as nails , but everytime the going got tuff and he looked average/quit/lost/ducked and there was always some stupid excuse to go along with it.

 

Yes, they were. Each man was ranked in the top ten by Ring Magazine when Vitali beat them. I'm sure. A bit of an inconvenient truth for you.

The issue here is can you learn, or will you make the same mistake twice?

I think you can learn.

 

You can have Slobis . Kingpin and Chisora were never ranked in the Ring Top 10.

Stiverne was and Vitali ducked him to fight Charr instead.

 

you know there are contentious issues surrounding that fight concerning betting.

Still, one loss versus being undisputed hw champion for years is way better than vitalis part time on off titlism.

care to tell us what fighters vitali didn't fight. oh you'd be here all day yeah. flop mate.

in view of the last point- why is it ok to you that your argument is a FLOP.
let me know why you accept your arguments being flops, it self combusts any point you try to make, such that I don't even need to reply.

yeh and guess what vitali didn't manage even that against his older champion. YEH FLOP mate. U shouldn't raise a point that destroys itself.

it doesn't. FLOP mate.

so he didn't take a long career break? And he didn't hold minor title or part title for all of his reign? He did on both counts. FLOP mate

 

woah whats this condescending shyte from a guy who just wrote a post full of 100% FLOP. Are you Mr Bean by any chance.