The champion should have gotten the benefit of doubt

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Pugilist_Spec, Nov 20, 2016.


  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    To make myself clear, I believe that Ward took the W yesterday, just barely. I think a draw would have been the best result. And I've got to admit, I gave Ward the benefit of doubt in some rounds that might have went to Kovalev in the eyes of a different observer.

    Yet, despite me thinking that Ward actually won, I'm not satisfied with the verdict. If it had been a reverse scenario, with Ward defending his belts, I would have had no problem with it. But something just feels wrong with Ward taking on a champion, almost getting knocked out, and then boxing his way out to the iffiest decision possible. The judges seemed to give him the pass on every round they could, much like I did.

    I hope Ward signs an immediate rematch, and proves his superiority convincingly this time, because I'm sure he can now that the blueprint is set.
     
  2. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ward didn't truly win any clear cut one way rounds like the many Kovalev won, they literally had to give ward every round he attempted to throw any meaningful shots towards Kovalev .

    It was truly terrible, worse than Eubank Jr being robbed of certain victory of Saunders or dirrel being robbed of his earned win over froch. these "professional" judges should have people to answer to for all their judged matche's, same with proper ref''s, the amount of horrible calls on a game by game and fight by fight basis is astounding
     
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  3. Cap10Kirk

    Cap10Kirk Active Member Full Member

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    F*** the benefit of the doubt. Win the freakin fight.
     
  4. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well said.

    Dirrel robbed in Nottingham for running too much.
    DelBoy robbed in Finland for not being as big a puncher as the one armed Helenius.
    Malik Scott robbed by mama Duva b/c Glaskov was gonna be a champion.
    Eubank Jr robbed cause he couldnt get the KO
    Kovalev robbed because he was only able to outbox, outdefend, be the agressor, score a KO, put Fraud on qu33r street mulitple times, almost rip his ear off, but not KHTFO.

    Corruption in our sport.
    What's f/n new.
     
  5. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    Close fight coulda gone either way.
    Champs should never get benefit of doubt, a loss is a loss.
     
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  6. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know what, that is a good point and I remember when it was said by people in boxing that a challenger had to take the title. The champion would always get the benefit of the doubt. While I too, think that Ward won the fight there is an argument that he didn't take the title. Boxing has changed a great deal but thanks for the rematch. Things should get settled there. It's easy for champion to lose his title nowadays but it's also easy for a fighter to win a title, being that there are so many of them. They are not coveted and thought of as they used to be.
     
  7. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I also think that judges should go back to scoring even rounds more.

    Half a century ago, it wasn't rare that a judge scored as much as half of the rounds even if the fighters weren't doing much. I personally had 2 rounds even. You shouldn't have to be looking for every single jab and glancing blow to score a round in someones favor. **** that, call it even and be done with it.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I've never subscribed to any of that hokum about 'take it from the champ' or giving the incumbent extra 'benefit of the doubt' prejudice in scoring.

    Just two anonymous humanoid shapes competing in a pure vacuum (each round its own vacuum). The blue rock 'em sock 'em robot and the red. That is how scoring in boxing ought to be, always.
     
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  9. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I agree. If a fighter is better, he's better. If he wins by 6 points or 1, it doesn't matter.

    What bothers me is the fact that Ward was awarded every single close round that could have went in Kovalevs favor just as easily. Conventional wisdom would dictate that the champion should get the nod under such circumstances, because it's up to the challenger to bring the fight to him and take his belts. There's just a bitter after taste to this. A non-boxing fan would think that Ward was the champion here.
     
  10. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That fight was there for Kov to lose (I thought he won it). He had an insurmountable lead going into the 2nd half. With so many close rounds, I don't know why he didn't pressure more. If he would have done the same as GGG to Brook, I think a KO was possible or at least won more rounds. For whatever reason, he employed the same game plan he used against Hopkins and was complacent. Kov has nobody to blame but himself.

    DLH did the same thing with Trinidad. I thought DLH won that too.
     
  11. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    This is what happens in a sport that is judged subjectively in real time. There is no instant replay. The judges do not wait until the fight is over and then painstakingly analyze every exchange, subtle strategic gambit, feint, etc... I doubt there isn't some fighter that you admire that has benefited from a questionable decision. I had Kovalev clearly winning last night, though I was rooting for Ward. Today I have seen clips of certain punches thrown by Sergey that I was convinced had hit Ward cleanly, but with the advantage of a perfect angle and in slow motion, re-playable at my whim, it's clear that he hit air. A swing and a miss. Maybe those judges saw things I did not? Maybe I'm a fan and not a pro? Regardless, it was their call to make and while I disagree, the sport is what it is and there will be other times that I agree when others don't. This is the nature of the sport we love.

    Btw, I'll take Ward by clear decision in the rematch.
     
  12. Jimako

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    I had scored the fight 6 - 6. With the knockdown in round two the champ should have retained his belts. Kovalev worked hard to get those belts and they were just taken away. I hope there is a rematch in 2017. They both deserve to to fight for the 3 belts again.
    I don't see ward getting 7 rounds in any scenario. Love both fighters but at most it should have been a split draw.
     
  13. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I personally don't think the champion should get the benefit of the close rounds. At the same time, I feel ward did get the benefit of the close rounds out of sympathy for him getting up and recovering the match. it was inspiring to some.
     
  14. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Kovalev is Eastern European, therefore the prejudice......................................
     
  15. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ward won fair and square. Both fighters showed grit but Kov did become tired by round five. He fought too patiently which does play into Wards hands. Ward's body shots clearly did considerable damage and his left hook came in strong as the fight wore on. He dictated the pace and ring generalship for most of the fight. The only effective shot Kov could land in the championship rounds was the jab while Ward landed an assortment of left hooks up Top mixed with body shots. There's some emotional posters on this forum. Ward did indeed come back from the the KD and outworked Kov in a dog fight. Wards best sequence was round 11 where he landed a vicious left hook body shot followed by a huge left hook up top. Kov even fell down that round due to mostly fatigue when Ward bullied him. He had trouble getting to his feet and even had to roll to his knees before getting back up. Round 9 was also a huge Ward round where he landed a left hook from hell that sent Kov sideways dipping underneath the top rope. He couldn't even bring his hands back up for almost 10 seconds while he was trying to recover from that shot. Kovs best round in the championship rounds was 10. But to sum it up why Ward won that round although it was one of the greatest back and forth rounds I've seen in years was due to the that missed right hand that HBO thought was a highlight but realized it missed exposing their agenda that round. Once again there's too many emotional posters who are butt hurt probably because their hopes were up when Kov got the KD to coping with the fact that Kov couldn't capitalize also considering there's been built in hate for Ward from the day he destroyed Kessler.

    This is the new TKO 6 of this forum. The butt hurt is on that level. It easily surpasses KTFO 6 no question. The *******s were gone for weeks after that fight which showed what kind of pathetic fanboys they were.
     
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