The chin and defensive skills of Joe Louis

On the one hand, yes. In an era with only one belt and guys needing to fight several times a year, it could be more difficult relatively to get to the top. But the selection process for becoming a boxer didn't seem all that difficult and you had mailmen, plumbers, can drivers, etc switching uniforms to fight in the evening. The amateur program wasn't as strong as it was in later eras and guys would often end up becoming club fighters/journeymen due to a lack of proper training.

Are you forgetting what you wrote?

Ten best opponents=/=Ten elite opponents.

That aside, you still haven't addressed Louis uncomfortable 2 KO losses, 10 knockdowns statistics that somehow don't apply to multiple champions who I must stress do NOT have 9/10 defense ratings. Please address this first, then we can tackle Liston and Vitali.

 

"Frazier was in the club, Frazier was blind, Frazier underestimated Foreman"

Blah blah blah. Same crap Tyson fans babble about when he lost to Douglas.

I recommend a different hobby because this is honestly embarrassing for you to keep digging your heels in after being destroyed for multiple pages.

 

It isn't. Journeyman has a hate boner for 70's HWs.

 

It shows the general consensus for multiple boxing communities.

I never said that was the consensus for Frazier specifically stupid. You keep arguing against a strawman and then pat yourself on the back. I was simply addressing you claiming that I made up the 26-30 age range being prime for most boxers.

For someone who keeps babbling about reading comprehension, this is hilariously ironic. I didn't think I needed to spell this out for you.

A boxer can both be in his prime and have certain health issues. Frazier had issues with his left arm and eye before he even became a boxer lol. It doesn't mean he suddenly stopped being in his prime just because they were getting worse well into his 20's. You're acting like the day after FOTC, Frazier became a weak old man.

 

Yeah, read books about reading comprehension. They might help you avoid making multiple logic fallacies in every post.

 

I will throw it around again: you spent 1-2 whole pages attacking a strawman because you were too stupid to follow up on the natural progression of the conversation. You said "no need to make stuff up" when I insisted 26-30 is the normal range for someone's prime". So I posted dozens of people who agree with that range. You then said "nothing you cited shows a consensus for Frazier being prime at that age" which wasn't my point. If you still don't get it at this point, then you have to be a special needs child.

The onus is in you to prove Frazier wasn't in his prime at 29 because quite a few people agree that 29 falls within the range of a boxer's prime. You babble about context and I addressed the context:

-Frazier's health issues such as his eyesight, arm problems, etc were there before he even turned pro. The arm injury happened when he was younger and fell running from a hog. You need to provide concrete evidence his eyesight/arm became much worse immediately after FOTC if you are claiming these health issues are why he wasn't in his prime post FOTC.

-He had 2 whole years to recover from the fight with Ali. Additionally, Frazier's first fight with Ali was the ONLY truly grueling battle he had been in as a pro up until that point. Nobody becomes shot/past their prime after just one tough fights especially if they WON.

-Frazier's performances post FOTC do not remotely support the notion he was past his prime. He shredded Stander to pieces and looked good doing it. Even after losing to Foreman, be was still able to beat a prime Joe Bugner that same year, demolished Ellis and Quarey again, had 2 additional wars with Ali (setting a record for number of punches thrown for over a decade), etc. A shot fighter would not be able to do this.

-Frazier underestimating Foreman or being a few lbs heavier than his prime fighting weight are not evidence he was shot or past his prime. The first excuse is simply arrogance and the second excuse isn't valid because he was even heavier in his two previous bouts and won spectacularly without showing any issues with his stamina, reflexes, etc.