The Classic BN24 Hall of Legends: Rules, Opinions, Link to the HoF polling threads, 2023 intake chat

As this thread nears it`s end i would just like to say thank you McGrain for doing this.I have really enjoyed it and it is great seeing other peoples opinions

 

What's your beef with Charles?

He clearly did FAR more than Patterson at 175; and in general.

Patterson beat a grand total of one light heavyweight ranked in the top ten AT THE TIME. Charles has nine wins over fighters in the nomination category; and FIVE over the guy who beat Patterson. The levels of difference between their achievements is ridiculous, and obviously, you already knew that.

Patterson was a career heavyweight with a brief stint at 175; Charles was a guy who spent his career all over the place and peaked at 175.

That's why he's on the LHW list and Patterson isn't.

 

That`s great, more head scratching for me

 

I just came in here to ask what the heck are we doing with Sam. Thankfully i looked thru every page in here searching for a mention of him

I'm thinking this post was subtly brushed hahaha

 

My problem with Charles can be summarized in your brief post. You don't play by the same rules when it comes to Charles.

You said Floyd had a brief stint at light heavyweight.
* Nearly half of Floyd Patterson's wins (26 out of 55) came at light heavyweight.
* Less than one-third (30 wins) of Ezzard Charles' wins came at light heavyweight.

Yes, Charles beat Moore, Bivins and Marshall.
* But he never beat Bivins at light heavyweight. In their only fight at light heavyweight, CHARLES LOST. Their other fights were at heavyweight.
* Charles doesn't have nine light heavyweight wins over those guys. He's 4-2 against them at light heavy ... and, unlike Patterson destroying the reigning champ Moore, Archie hadn't won anything when Charles beat him. And Marshall and Bivins were never the champion.

With Charles, people lump the heavyweight wins in with the light heavyweight wins. But they don't seem to do that with Floyd.

And the guy who won a bad decision over Patterson (Maxim) isn't on the list. But you're holding that against him?

* Charles, by the way, has as many wins over Maxim AT LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT as Patterson does. NONE. All the Maxim-Charles fights were heavyweight fights.

Again, you're including Charles' wins over fighters at heavyweight to boost his light heavyweight accomplishments. But Floyd, NOPE.

Patterson was the number-one light heavyweight contender when he knocked out the reigning light heavyweight champion Moore for the vacant heavyweight title. That fight easily could've taken place at light heavy (and probably should've) if Marciano hadn't retired.

After Patterson demolished Moore, Floyd was removed from the light heavyweight ratings (as he was the heavyweight champion then) but Moore remained the champ at light heavy.

Granted, that was a complicated situation. But how does anyone just blow that off as nothing?

And if we're including "their entire careers in other divisions" ... which the rules say ... how do you dismiss a guy (Patterson) who was the first gold medalist to win a heavyweight title, the youngest to ever win a heavyweight title, or the first man to ever win the heavyweight title twice?

If you score half your wins at light heavyweight, destroy arguably the best light heavyweight on the planet (when he was the light heavyweight champion), win gold, win the heavyweight title twice, become the youngest to ever do it ... how is this being dismissed?

 

I just want to add, sincerely, that anyone running around in here or the vote threads moaning and whining and undermining shouldn't even have their posts allowed to stand unless they have been taking part in the vote!

You've got to pay to play.

 

Props to @McGrain for all the time and effort put into this thread and the divisional lists.

It takes a lot of thought and consideration and management to do these and it’s for those precise reasons I’ve never attempted anything similar myself because I’m a lazy *******!

But I love taking part in them.

 

Amen to that.

 

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