The Clottey shed light on the fact...

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  1. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That Manny really doesn't have an answer for a defensive fighter. I believe this fight exposed him more than help his case as a great fighter. One, Clottey landed plush lead rights, jabs and uppercuts riddled with left hook, straight right combinations throughout the fight. He like Floyd does to southpaws went with the high guard while stalking Manny. Now I understand a lot of you are going to look at this as nonsense, but I implore you to watch the fight in it's entirety before giving me **** lmao.

    Manny's only answer was to out work Clottey by throwing a career high 1200+ power punches which we all know due to magical unresolved circumstances, he can't do anymore. It is documented though that Clottey was able to make Manny not land virtually 1000 punches in the fight and understand this was optimum Manny Pacquiao. The odd angles that are talked about in possession of our FOTD and 8 division champ were not present in that fight.

    Manny was even reduced to the Shane Mosley role of giving the opposition dap which is a slight form of showing your opponent to much respect. Understand this was just against a guy that does not employ movement but actually stood in front of Manny for the entire fight. Floyd is far more dynamic in terms of blocking and avoiding punches than Clottey.

    In conclusion, I believe more than ever that this event will be the most anticlimactic match in the history of the sport. Floyd is going to really make this fight a cake walk. Clottey is the most defensive fighter Manny has ever faced in his career. His lack of experience in a variety of opponents coupled with lower ring IQ, fundamentals and slew of other disadvantages are really a spelling of his final doom. I respect everyone's opinion but I just don't see this any other way.
     
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  2. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    P.S. The title was meant to read "The Clottey fight shed...".
     
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  3. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd has a totally different defense(and style in general) to Clottey's. It's "better" but he's nowhere near as good at blocking punches, his defense is more about rolling and dodging them. The question is more can he maintain that defense against a guy with top flight hand and foot speed that throws at weird angles in combination. It's comparatively easy to block off Manny's shots with Clottey's high guard style and physical strength. A totally different story to dodge and roll those shots.

    And I think that Manny's opposition of late has prepared him much better for Floyd than the reverse. Bradley and Algieri are far better prep for Manny than Maidana x 2 is for Floyd.

    Personally, I think Floyd will win a close decision because I feel that Pacquiao has faded a bit more than Floyd has and is in more into "boxer mode" which won't be good enough against the best boxer. But if it's a cakewalk either way I would be shocked.
     
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  4. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He beat Clottey very easily, one of his career best. He moved him with every punch, even hitting the guard the force would knock Clottey back.

    In retrospect it was kind of suspicious.
     
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  5. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ^ Also true that Clottey's shell is stronger and better than Floyd's. Haven't seen anyone besides maybe Winky who was as tight.
     
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  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The art of the Turtle Shell...
     
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  7. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not just the blocking fellas. Floyd can move and doesn't rely entirely on just blocking. The countering also throws dynamic onto his defense. His high guard gets super tight depending on the opponent and throws nothing but straight punches from that point. Please see the Shane and Judah fights. Floyd becomes sharper than a razor when he's in with someone that can hurt him. Floyd's focus becomes heightened after caught and this leads to the opponent not being able to land the same punch twice. Once again I suggest watching the Clottey fight to see the opportunities are there and what lands on Manny during the fight. I guarantee when it's all said and done, you going to see a lot of similar punches landed from Floyd. There's more to that fight than 1200 punches lmao.
     
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  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd is great at what he does, but he's never faced a guy like Pac. And conversely, Pac has never faced a virtuoso defensive specialist liek Floyd. This is the classic football question, what wins championships, defense or offense? Tbh, I don't know. I've never seen Floyd face real adversity before. We've seen Pac and he's generally handled it well. We assume Floyd will handle it as well, but really we/I don't know.
     
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  9. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clottey was in shell mode more than the usual because Pac completely overwhelmed him.
    It's no different to how Mosley and Cotto (post 2nd KD) reacted when they realized it's a fight they can't win.
    Same thing happened with Rios, who was unusually covering up more and trading less than usual when he faced Pac.

    That fight is a testament to the unrelenting stamina that, if Pac can summon on fight night, will completely overshadow Floyd's pot shotting and will win Pac round after round.
     
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  10. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac's activity and ability to sustain such a high level of intensity all 12 rounds is insane. Insane. Floyd's stamina is really underrated though too.
     
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  11. TheRat

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    Felix Sturm comes to mind. His style has evolved over the years recently though.
     
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  12. Guybino

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    different styles of defence.
     
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  13. boxing_master

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    clottey is bigger stronger and has a much better chin than mayweather he also hits harder....................

    clottey rehydrated to 165/70
     
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  14. TheRat

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    but in boxing, offense can be your defense.
     
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  15. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clottey also has a very good lead right hand, so good prep for Floyd
     
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