The composite All Time Very Good middleweight

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  1. Eddie Ezzard

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    Let's try this for size. I tried one before with All Time Great middles and that died on its arse but, as a tribute to the late, great Bob Willis, I'm not going to back down, despite the odds against me.

    Using the attributes of only fighters who just fall short of greatness, or, at least all-time greatness, let's make the (im)perfect middleweight. One attribute per fighter.

    In establishing what I mean by 'Very Good', examples at other weights might include Ken Norton, John Conteh, Nigel Benn, Willie Pastrano, Tony DeMarco, Meldrick Taylor, Buddy McGirt, Howard Winstone. I hope you get my drift. Anyway, here goes. Bottoms Up, Bob.

    Right hand: Can't see past Julian Jackson.
    Left hand: Al Hostak (narrowly pipping Florentino Fernandez as Al was a) bigger and b) Croatian)
    Jab: Actually. Give this to Al and let Fernandez have the left hook.
    Chin: Chris Eubank
    Stamina: Vito Antuofermo
    Footwork: Joey Giardello
    Aggression: Rubin Carter
    Ring IQ: Sumbu Kalambay
    Strength: Randy Turpin

    Over to you all. Knock yourselves out.
     
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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Right/Left: Jackson and Graziano, doesnt matter which is which

    Jab: Lou Brouillard

    Chin: Bennie Briscoe

    Stamina: Vito Antuofermo

    Footwork: Nonpareil Jack Dempsey

    Aggression: Gerald McClellan

    IQ: Nonpareil Jack Dempsey

    Strength: Bob Moha
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    Right hand: McClellan

    Left Hand: Lemieux

    Jab: Jermain Taylor

    Stamina: Howard Eastman

    Chin: Abraham

    Footwork: Pirog

    Aggression: Echols

    IQ: Cory Spinks

    Strength: Pavlik
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Durability for me might be Hamsho or Valdes.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Right/Left - Jackson/McClellan
    Jab - GGG

    Stamina - Vito
    Chin - Thil
    Footwork - Pirog
    Aggression - Briscoe
    Ring IQ - Kalambay
    Strength - Mugabi

    Can I do this w the LHWs as well?
     
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  6. Eddie Ezzard

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    Knock yourself out, George.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    The criteria, is that there not allowed of they're universally viewed as top 10 LHWs, regardless of my own top 10.


    Straight Punches - Sergey Kovalev
    Hooks/Uppercuts - Marvin Johnson
    Stamina - Maxie Rosenbloom
    Chin - Saad Muhammad
    Footwork - Willie Pastrano
    Aggression - Dwight Qawi
    Ring IQ - John Conteh
    Strength - Artur Beterbeiv
    Heart - Victor Galindez
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Okay I'll take a stab. For openers there has to be little or no film on him, and his competition must be good!


    Right hand:Jackson
    Left hand: Fitzsimmons
    Jab: Roy Jones
    Chin: Golovkin
    Stamina: Gerb
    Footwork: Holman Williams
    Aggression: LaMotta
    Ring IQ: Fitzsimmons
    Strength: Cerdan
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    You don't consider Fitz, Greb, Williams, LaMotta great?
    Also you can only use each guy once.
    And GGG's chin > LaMotta's?
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    I only used each person once, and yes, I think there were great. I was being humorous with the opening line as there is no film on Williams or Greb and limited on Fitz

    Yes I thin GGG has the best chin. He was ever floored as a pro or in his 200+ Amateur matches. I've never even seen him hurt.

    Mine wasn't imperfect, I used who I thought was the best
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    You used Fitz twice.
    Then you've miss understood the thread, you're supposed to use fighters you don't think are great.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Mine wasn't imperfect, I used who I thought was the best at XYZ. Sorry. By mixing different attributes from near greats, you're going to get nearly unbeatable fighter. I went for the best every cross mix.

    I find it hard to separate attributes from near greats vs greats as the near great guy might actually be better at a certain part of the game the great is known for.
     
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  13. The Morlocks

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    RIGHT HAND-MONZON
    LEFT HAND-MONZON
    JAB--MONZON
    CHIN-MONZON
    FOOTWORK-MONZON
    STAMINA-MONZON
    APPLIED AGGRESSION-MONZON
    RING I.Q.-MONZON
    STRENGTH-MONZON
     
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  14. Eddie Ezzard

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    RIP thread
     
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    Sugar Ray Robinson
     
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