The CONCLUSION of the VERY GOOD OR GREAT Threads

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Aug 29, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    After 10 threads, this is my conclusion.




    THE GREATS IN MMA

    Fedor Emelianenko
    Anderson Silva
    Georges St Pierre
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

    BJ Penn
    Dan Henderson
    Wanderlei Silva
    Kazushi Sakuraba
    Matt Hughes

    Chuck Liddell
    Mirko Crocop
    Mauricio Shogun Rua
    Rampage Jackson
    Randy Couture




    THE BORDERLINE VERY GOOD/GREATS

    Frank Shamrock
    Igor Vovchanchyn
    Takanori Gomi
    Jake Shields
    Lyoto Machida
    Tito Ortiz




    THE VERY GOODS

    Rich Franklin
    Vitor Belfort
    Ricardo Arona
    Jeremy Horn
    Sean Sherk
    Genki Sudo
    Josh Barnett
    Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
    Jens Pulver
    Pat Miletich
    ...probably many more...






    I've kind of shirked out of categorizing guys like Royce Gracie, Bas Rutten and Dan Severn, who were incredibly important to MMA, but whose ability/achievements are difficult to define because of the era they fought in.


    I look forward to your comments on my conclusions, or your alternative categorizations of fighters if you can be bothered :good
     
  2. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

    20,005
    7
    Mar 8, 2007
    Geez Rampage as great? Hahaha. Belfort, Tito and Frank should be ahead of Jackson.
     
  3. horst

    horst Guest

    No chance.

    Rampage's hit list includes:


    Dan Henderson
    Lyoto Machida
    Chuck Liddell x2
    Ricardo Arona
    Wanderlei Silva
    Igor Vovchanchyn
    Kevin Randleman
    Keith Jardine
    and more


    No way in hell does either Vitor, Tito or Frank come even close to that res. :nono
     
  4. Anarchy99

    Anarchy99 Babalu will KILL You! Full Member

    2,726
    0
    Feb 2, 2011
    Great list however, I would put Rich Franklin on the borderline great list. If it wasn't for Silva, I believe Rich would've reigned at MW alot longer.
     
  5. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

    23,723
    4,048
    Oct 13, 2010
    Great job Popkins :good
     
  6. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

    25,846
    2
    Apr 4, 2008
    :lol:
     
  7. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,652
    1
    Feb 14, 2011
    I was just thinking about them specially Bas Rutten and if they where to be ranked very good or greats and wondered why you didnt do a thread about them.
     
  8. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

    25,846
    2
    Apr 4, 2008
    How about a best of the pioneers thread Popkins? Maybe a poll on the best fighters from about 93-2000 there could be some interesting criteria

    Resume
    Achievement
    Legacy and effect on the sport
    Skill set
     
  9. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,833
    6
    Nov 16, 2010
    Nice work. I'd bump Genki Sudo up a level, personally, but it's hard to disagree with the rest of the list.
     
  10. horst

    horst Guest

    Yes this is a great idea. Will get on it soon.
     
  11. Shogun Assassin

    Shogun Assassin Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,843
    3
    Oct 22, 2010
    Really?, I mean he was good but I wouldn't even have him on my "top 5 from Japan" list (if I had one :yep).


    I personally don't think Jake Shields is above the level of say, Josh Barnett, but it's whatever.
     
  12. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,833
    6
    Nov 16, 2010
    Dude was a freak, one hell of an entertainer as well as a brilliantly talented fighter. Granted, he's not one of the greats, but I wouldn't be putting him down amongst all the other 'very good' fighters either. He's somewhere in between.
    I've also got Genki's nuts firmly lodged down my throat, so feel free to call it bias if you want.
     
  13. LHL

    LHL Captain Freedom Full Member

    23,826
    3
    Oct 27, 2008
    Good job. Absolutely nothing to disagree with from that list.
     
  14. zarman

    zarman Guest

    Maybe swap Shields with Barnett