The Cotto from Quintana fight or Cotto from the Foreman fight, Which Cotto is better?

In the Quitana fight he was younger and fresher, dont forget the hard fights he has been in since then.

Both versions get battered by Mayweather though.

 

I dont know if I agree with that, but even if thats the case the problem I saw with cotto in that fight is he was trying to play the boxer / mover roll when he's clearly always been more of a stalking / pressure fighter. Subsequently it took him a long time to get a guy out out who really shouldn't have last more then 3 or 4 rounds. I think the problem there was hiring emmanual steward. His latest trainer seems to be the right fit for him and has gotten him back to his natural style , with some technical improvements.

 

Well I definitely have faith that he can, but he just hasn't had the chance to prove it yet in terms of fighting within a mostly offensive game-plan. I'm sure the Margarito fight did wonders for his mental fortitude, but you just never know until he's facing immense adversity inside the ring again.

 

In the four rounds before Quit ana bitched out, he did give Cotto some facial bruising. That being said Foreman wasn't really that good period. It is hard to measure against to different opponents like that.

 

He could have upped the pressure, but he was controlling the center of the ring beautifully, efficiently cutting off the exits to Foreman's escapes without breaking a sweat or ceding control. It would be good to remember this was a comeback fight as well, and working on things was probably more important than trying to slaughter him.

Every punch he threw had his feet under him in balance, and his guard was more well placed, with his left hand in front of his chin while his right hand was lower on his face under the ear, as opposed to the high guard and leaning stance that would limit his vision and leave him vulnerable to uppercuts and other angled punches. I'd say that Cotto under the same circumstances again should and would fight with more determined pressure, but he's better off with those technical changes. But I agree, he seems a much better fit with his new trainer Diaz, and he's not so focused on being solely a boxer-type when he doesn't always have to be. It seems Diaz is building on what Steward corrected and adding dimension to it.

 

You make a good point that if Floyd can't get his respect, he'll have a very hard time. I think that Floyd does have enough power to make anyone hesitant after getting hit multiple times, but if Cotto can take one to get inside and land a few or time a combination at the same time, then he can repeat that process without getting discouraged.

 

his confidence was not good in the pacquiao fight todays version of cotto is better than the pacquiao version, the quintana fight he was unstoppable and very very strong and went to the body more he had that killer instinct

 

Quintana easily.

 

He looked confident to me. The problem was Pacquiao took his confidence away when he started beating him down.

 

He may have been confident but there was no game plan. Roach said over and over that Cotto was an excellent fighter but they were gonna take advantage of his trainers situation at that time and they did.

 

That's kind of ridiculous to suggest he didnt have any kind of gameplan. I dont care what gameplan he had cotto could not of beaten pacquiao that night. Cotto gave him every look he could and pac tore him up.

 

You can't deny that was Cotto's worst outing from a technical standpoint. I give Manny a lot of credit for that win, but Miguel's training camp/corner situation made Manny & Roach's job a lot easier. He didn't give him any different looks besides pressure out of a flawed stance and inefficient, non-constructive backpedaling. I have no doubt he'd do better in a rematch, win or lose.

 

I didnt see much of a difference between that version of Cotto and the one that lost to Margarito or before that. He actually looked pretty sharp in the opening rounds and boxed well, but once he began to get countered he tried to step on the gas and Pacquiao shut him down . Once he realized he couldn't bully pac, he went to being defensive , and Pacquiao still tore him up. So I don't see stylistically how Cotto wins a fight against pacquiao . He doesnt have the stylistic dimensions of a Marquez to do it and I dont think he has the toughness either, tbh. He's always had trouble with guys who can take his shots and dish them back out.