The Crouch And Cutting Off The Ring

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  1. lefthook31

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    Yes he did win just about every round. I dont recall the fight, but I bet he won the entire fight with his jab.
    Ibragimov is also a southpaw that doesnt come forward like a Marciano style fighter..
     
  2. Dempsey1238

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    He won that fight mostly on disntant and landed a few extral punchings than the other guy.

    The fight suck, it was low punch output on either side, and no one relly landed a telling blow either way. I belive Marciano would have thown a LOT more punchings, than both standed around making defense movements for 12 rounds.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    Yes it did suck. I just watched a few rounds on youtube and it was his jab that was pelting him and nicely. A fighter like Marciano would be moving forward not backwards thus putting him more in range to get countered by a giant the size of Wlad.
    Thats kind of the point isnt it?? A fighter that uses this style and hangs back and counters of course is using more of a defensive type style, whereas a fighter that uses this style and only comes forward, is more offensive, more in punching range, and has to do something to close the gap or avoid and slip punches.
    I dont know how successful Marciano would be against Wlad pound for pound at this point?
     
  4. The Mongoose

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    Sultan is clearly not an aggressive Marciano clone...he doesn't work the body, infight, or feint, he just hovers in range and waits to bomb over the top, however, he did use the leaning crouch to effectively neutralize most of Wlad's normally accurate right hands..which he had no trouble landing flush and frequently against the slick soutphaw but upright Chris Byrd. Wlad won every round but its perhaps the most frustrated I've ever seen him or Steward. He mostly pawed with the jab but most of his commited punches went over Sultan's head. When Sultan did try to move inside, Wlad still missed and was forced to clinch.
     
  5. lefthook31

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    Understood, but let me ask you would a fighter using this style to move forward be in more, or less, of harms way?? Was Byrd being more offensive than Ibragimov? Was he making it a little easier than Ibragimov for Wlad to find him by moving forward more? I cant remember that fight either..
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    Sultan at one point was an aggressive swarming fighter that dug to the body(see the Whitaker knockout), but Mayweather was trying to break him of his aggression and turn him into a patient cutie. Didn't work out well as I believe Sultan had more openings than he gave himself credit for and looked very uncomfortable around this time. Wlad looked ill equiped at dealing with the crouch but he stayed patient and didn't give Sultan much to work with either.

    Byrd had no answer for Wlad's sharp right hand, just too accurate and well timed to slip consistently, and too strong to fend off with your gloves. I remember the rematch, Wlad just pushed him into his punches and bombed through his guard with a right hook to knock him down and force the stoppage. Very difficult fighter to outbox traditionally, especially upright from the outside. I think Brock used the crouch a little against Wlad, he got to the body and won some rounds, but he was very jittery throughout and eventually started getting timed by the jab.
     
  7. Bummy Davis

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    Smart Post:good
     
  8. Butch Coolidge

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    A crouch gives a fighter power in his punches because he can drive his hindquarters into his punches. Basically, all the crouchers are big punchers too, mainly with a hook.

    I don't think Marciano would have been as difficult for Klitschko as Ibragimov was, mainly because Marciano had a right-handed stance and Ibragimov was a lefty. Klitschko "boxed" almost perfectly against Ibragimov, it wasn't a dramatic fight at all. Ibragimov waited for Klitschko to throw a right hand so he could ride it back and nail Klitschko with a left. Klitschko had it figured out before the opening bell and never let Ibragimov into the fight. I think Klitschko did throw one right hand in the fight that caused an unruled knockdown, the ropes kept Sultan from going down.
     
  9. Rollin

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    Perfect description. Ali was extremely good at seizing the initiative and leading. Makes Frazier's success against him all the more impressive.