The current Heavyweight Division is one of the best eras ever

Paragraph 1 rebuttal. Sorry, but neither you or any other similarly intellectually challenged cretin has offered anything remotely sufficient to "discredit" me. Moreover, while most professional historians and analysts understand sports progress, and there is a strong element of commenters on these boards that understand it as well, I don't pretend to assume that the overwhelming majority do. Logic isn't a democracy, it exists or it doesn't, and sorry pal, but it doesn't exist in you.

Paragraph 2: You just totally ignored my points and facts. No country is in substantial decline, and even that is irrelevant, its the world population that matters. Let me try to break it down for your delicate little mind. If you fill up 5 baskets of different size full of water, compared to 2 baskets of a middle size of water, you are going to have more water in the 5 baskets than the 2 baskets, even though they are larger than the smallest baskets of the larger batch. In other words, the WORLD population is greater, it doesn't matter where the standouts come from. Moreover, world population is just part of the equation, the opening up of the world to boxing athletic accomplishments is an equal point. The sport will be even better when we see full participation from the world, and countries like China who aren't competing now professionally much start to compete.

Paragraph 3: Again, you have it backwards. I don't need to offer proof, you do. Why is boxing different from EVERY OTHER SPORT in not progressing? Seriously, your inability to reason even the most simple thing out is troubling. Please never serve on a jury or vote.

Paragraph 4: Yes its practically a different sport. Bowe would barely be a top 10 contender now. Lennox I rate higher than Wlad based on both accomplishments and H2H ability, but his style left him open too often. Wlad has been much more consistently dominant than Lennox. I'm sure it will utterly baffle you how I could say that Lennox is better than Wlad overall, and yet state that his style is inferior and less dominant. Think about it for a few weeks, then, if you're brain starts showing previously unseen capabilities, come back and write a report on why I'm right.

 

Can't quite see how it would be funny. If it happens, not really humorous. I guess you mean that it won't happen. If so, presumably you mean that its "funny" to imagine a Chinese person as HW champ? Yep, you'd fall into the racist, zenophobic category.

 

You still haven't answered my question of how this era is more skilled than past ones.

 

Paragraph 1: Fair enough, you'd given me no reason to believe you'd be anything other than juvenile, so I responded in turn.
Paragraph 2-3: Uhm, yes you have. I've explained why. You've again decided not to respond rationally. Go home child.
Paragraph 4: I doubt it will be the last time you say it, you appear to love to be wrong too much. For the record, I'm not saying Ali or Frazier are unfit. I'm saying that modern HW's are fit. I'm pointing out that imbeciles like you have less objectively identifiable facts to argue modern HW's are fat than an objective person would have to say past era are fat, based on obvious physical traits HW's like Ali and Frazier had. I'm saying that other arguments are not remotely as rationally based as those tangible physical characteristics. Try to follow along.

 

Actually, everyone except Klitschko fan boys are saying it is ****. I am a fan of the Klitschko's too, but this era is still one of the worst of all times.

 

no, that's not indicated in the slightest. But it'd be funny seeing YOUR failure, obviously.

that you created to sweep me into, despite there being no indication I am in it.

sounds like the mindset similar to racism you are displaying there funnily enough - to categorise someone irrationally.

 

1. We don't have to agree, and yes, the facts are what they are (although what those facts are, of course, are what we dispute)
2. Agreed, although, first, Arreola hits harder so the punches he lands are more impactful, and second, avoiding punches I'm sure you can agree is tiring as well. You said you used to fight, I just spar, but evading punches tires me out almost as much as getting hit. Arreola threw a decent number of punches, not at Frazier level but still a decent amount, just was unable to connect as often.
3. Looks like we're not going to agree on point 3, either.

 

Actually, unlike you I can admit a decent point, and while that was never really what I was arguing its a decent point nevertheless. Congrats, your first one! The birth rate of some countries has fallen, but overall, the population among "prime" athlete group is still much higher than any other era. And again, that was just one reason among many for why modern athletes are better.

 

See my response that I posted earlier, here, I'll repost it here for your benefit:

Paragraph 3: Again, you have it backwards. I don't need to offer proof, you do. Why is boxing different from EVERY OTHER SPORT in not progressing? Seriously, your inability to reason even the most simple thing out is troubling. Please never serve on a jury or vote.

 

Klitschko brothers have astonished me in a bad way. The younger one lives with a small boy in Germany and I wonder how much money has the elder one received from the Rothschild family. No less than $100 million so he could compete with the president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, and try to become the president himself. They have already taken everything in the heavyweight category. They should carry on doing what they know and not trade themselves as some dishonorable girls do.

 

Poor little Herol, can't offer any coherent or rational points, so just "nah nah" will have to do, eh? Yes racism is indicated in your response. Or maybe its just complete stupidity and inability to form rational jokes, along with your inability to offer rational responses.

 

Uhm, except I've already shown how I can't be categorized as a fanboy and you've offered nothing to state you are anything but an oldtimer fanboy. Sorry, but claiming to be a fan of the K's doesn't really tell say anything.

 

Concerning point 2 and 3...Bigger fighters as a whole are most definitely slower. I'm not talking about the exceptions, but then division as a whole. And when a slower fighter punch MAY be harder on average it usually not as damaging because the blow is being anticipated even if by only abstraction of a second. Look at Vits in comparison to Tyson as an example. Vits has a great ko ratio, but he's not a ko puncher per say. His opponents see those punches coming, they just can't get out of the way so he settles far more often for wearing a man down to get the stoppage. Tyson was much faster and explosive being able to set up combos that rendered his opponents unconscious. Speed undoubtedly relates to sapping a fighters strength. Let's look at someone like Tyson Fury in comparison to Joe Louis. Fury was dropped by a guy he outsized monstrously. He got dropped by a shot he never saw coming. Louis on the other hand had little problems with the giants he fought and who's size you equate to being harder punchers.

 

I don't disagree with most of what you say, its not mutually exclusive with my points. My only disagreement, and its not on point with the overall premise, is Louis did have problems with the "giants". He was knocked out of the ring by Buddy Baer. And none of those giants were remotely as skilled as the giants of the modern era.

 

If I'm not mistaken there were more professional boxers in the United States alone during the 40's and 50's than than in the whole world today. If that is true is your point moot?