The current Middleweight division is the worst division in history

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  1. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Active Member Full Member

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    No, seriously. Has there even been a division that is more of a wasteland than this ? Nobody fights each other, and the supposed top fighters of the division have done so little that the only justifications to their rankings is almost purely based on hype and expectations.

    The current divisional number 1 according to the Ring Magazine and the TRBR is Janibek Alimkhanuly. What has he done to warrant such a spot ? Well, he beat the then #7 rated Rob Brant and the corpse of Hassan in 2021, who was last ranked back in 2018 ( as high as #10 !), and who hadn't fought a live body for 2 years by that point. He also made a few ''world'' title defences against, hear this, non rated domestic level fighters who were fresh off British and European title fights. He hasn't fought a ranked opponent since 2021.

    Carlos Adames , the divisional #2 by both the Ring and TRBR, is not much better. He has a win over Derevyacneko, which is a good win, but literally nothing else. Not to mention that it's a controversial one at that. He lost to Texeira (who was only a fringe contender) back at 154, and beat a blown up Julian Williams who had had 6 fights in 6 years prior to that, and who hadn't won against a quality fighter since 2019. No other top 10 rated fighters beaten aside from Derevyachenko.

    Hamzah Sheeraz, the #3 according to the Ring and #4 according to TRBR, literally has beaten no ranked fighters. He only has one win over the foreboding boogeyman known as Liam Williams, which happened this year. Last time he was a ranked fighter was back in 2021 at #10, and the highest he ever got was at #8 back in 2020. The manner in which he beat him was impressive, but good God.

    Erislandy Lara, rated #3 (TRBR) and 4 (Ring) was good, we know that. Not quite Hall of Fame worthy, but he was a good title holder with a respectable resume. Wins over Angulo, Trout, Martirosyan are solid, and his competitive affairs with Canelo, Castano and Hurd also prove his quality, especially considering his age against the latter 2. But let's be honest. The guy hasn't done jack since, aside from getting a Mickey Mouse belt at Middleweight. He hasn't beaten nobody of worth at the poundage since he moved up, no ranked fighters to his name. Only real reason he is still rated is due to sentimentality.

    Chris Eubank jr, rated #5 by both platforms. Has a win over the already adressed Liam Williams. He is 1-1 against the currently #6 (TRBR) and #7 (Ring) Liam Smith, a guy who, you guessed it, was a career 154 who only moved up to 160 to fight Eubank aside from a few tenures at the weight against nobodies. The singular win against Eubank is the only win over a rated fighter Smith has. And it's more of a case of Eubank being medicore than Smith being some world beater.

    Meiirim Nursultatov, rated 6th by the Ring and 7 by the TRBR, has beaten no fighters that were rated at any point in their life. Kyrona Davis, rated 9th by both, only has a win over Elijah Garcia, who rated at #7 the previous year and is now unranked. Same with the #8 rated Etinosa Oliha, only has a win over the previous #8 MW, Felix Cash, also currently unranked. The #10 rated Tyler Denny is only ranked because he was beating Felix Cash prior to a headbutt merely 5 rounds in. Austin Williams and Anauel Ngamissengue, both ranked by the TRBR, have also beaten no fighters that were ever ranked in their life.

    So, the top 12 fighters of the division have a total of 9 wins against men that were top 10 rated by the time of the fight. Only 2 of the 12 have fought each other. 5 of those 12 have beaten no rated fighter at 160, and 2 of them are in the top 5. I'd call this a cesspool, but a cesspool needs to have some substance to be dirty, while this division is drier than an Arab's fart.
     
  2. TKO67

    TKO67 New Member banned Full Member

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    Get rid of the Junior Middle and Super Middle weight classes and you'll have a great Middleweight Division again.
     
  3. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Worth adding that Janibek feinted trying to make the weight and had to pull out of a fight recently.
     
  4. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It actually really is, there simply is no depth at all. A 42 year old is top 3-4 in the division and isn't even all that active. The #1 hasn't even broken 20 fights, # 2 is a wild low technique gunslinger. Two guys near the bottom of the top 10 were both humbled at SMW and fled here, someone else was a subpar JMW.

    43 year old Golovkin could come back and become a 4 beltholder if he chose to without nearly any pushback. Very weak division, by far the weakest in boxing ATM.

    And I hate saying that as MW is my absolute favorite division
     
  5. Smoochie

    Smoochie leak the greb tapes bro Full Member

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    @op what do you think of the current welterweight?
     
  6. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Genuinely insane how bad and barren it is, considering how amazing it has been historically
     
  7. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This 100%, imagine what 160 and 175 would look like if you merged them with 154 and 168 respectively. And I agree, middleweight is in a slump right now.
     
  8. Lecowas

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    That's why casuals don't care about the lower weights, full of frauds who refuse to fight each other. Some of these divisions, you find more than 5 undefeated fighters active in same division for years. What a joke!

    Thank God for Saudi at HW, the likes of makmudov, Anderson, Fury would have retired undefeated fighting bums
     
  9. Eternal

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    When was the golden age of mw?

    After losing to Roy Jones jr back in 1993 BHOP became the top dawg at mw without beating any real contenders, closest to a real contender at that weight was maybe Robert Allen. Don't mention Tito or Odlh since both were blown up welterweights. Then BHOP lost to solid contender Jermain Taylor in 2005 and I suppose that after that the division had a bried period of real life. Still that's 12 years of desert walking. The GGG era feels the same, only real contender being former jr welterweight Canelo Alvarez.
     
  10. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Active Member Full Member

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    Was good a while back, but now pretty much everyone noteworthy has left. Ennis is carrying it hard.
     
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    Shazzar23 Demetrius Bivol Full Member

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    this would be awesome
     
  12. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Active Member Full Member

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    The 1940's were pretty damn excellent. You had Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Ken Overlin, Jake LaMotta, Jack Chase, Rocky Graziano, Tony Zale, Marcel Cerdan, Fred Apostoli, Bert Lytell, Billy Soose, Cocoa Kid, Tiger Wade, green versions of Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore, and even Sugar Ray Robinson moving up to fight at the weight for a few fights. The only ones here that aren't champions or Hall of Famers were some of the best contenders any division has ever seen. It was an insanely stacked era.

    And I'm not even mentioning the underrated contenders of the era, like Jose Basora, Georgie Abrams, Steve Belloise and Robert Villemain, or some aging greats like Teddy Yarosz and Caferino Garcia.
     
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  13. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    160 is fine. It's just an inactive division with promoter problems and lots of unknowns. A stagnant division and a bad division are not one and the same. The talent is there it just hasn't had a chance to showcase itself yet for the most part. 160 has been a hinterland for a long time now, nothing new, promoter, sanctioning org, and other various issues are leaving champs and contenders inactive just like they have for a long while now in boxing. Only this time the top guys don't have as much name value or good will to fall back on because they're unknowns still. With COVID, promoter struggles, and ageing champions, all divisions have been more inactive as of late MW just hasn't come out of hibernation yet with its most notable champs retiring or moving up. 160 will be up and running again soon, the cream will rise to the top, and the talent will be showcased and appreciated. Janibek, Adames, Lara, Sheeraz, Nursultanov, Oliha, Mikhailovich, McKenna, Ngamissengue, Nmomah and others are a decent crop of fighters even if they're mostly untested.
     
  14. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Active Member Full Member

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    A stagnant division is a bad division, no matter how much you want to pretty it up. Out of the top 5 guys in the division, only one has more than 1 win over rated contenders at 160. Two of them have none. The top 2 have one, each, and they were in 2021. That's not just stagnant, the division might as well be dead if the top 2 guys haven't fought actual contenders for 3 years. That's some Wilder ****, as heretical as it might sound. Only 3 fighters of the Ring's top 10 are under 30, with one of them being 29, and 3 of them are 35 or older. With the pace they're going, the 30 something year olds are going to waste their primes fighting domestic level fighters for most of their careers.

    There's no universe where this is fine.
     
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  15. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    idk where you're getting your numbers from but I don't think they're right. Janibek's last fight was a unification against Gualtieri (IBF champ and ranked) and he was scheduled to face Mikhailovich (also ranked) before having to pull out due to being severely dehydrated while weight-cutting during a heat-wave in Vegas. Adames was only elevated to the full champ only a few months ago after Jermall Charlo was stripped after 3 years of not fighting at 160 and having PBC and the WBC cover his ass. Adames got frozen out of the title picture by his own promoters to protect a bigger star. Lara's last fight was against Michael Zerafa (another ranked contender). Sheeraz's last fight was against Ammo/Tiger Williams (another ranked contender) and he's slated to face Tyler Denny next month (again, ranked contender). I won't defend CEJ though because he's an asshat and always has been. He's been taking soft touches most of his career but he's moving up to 168 soon anyway.
     
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