The Curry-Starling fights: How did you score them?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two of the more quality welterweight fights of recent time from a technical standpoint.

    Both of them were super close. Who did you have winning them and by what margins?

    Here are my cards:


    Marlon Starling vs. Donald Curry I: 115-115 Draw
    Starling: 1,3,5,6 and 9.
    Curry: 4,7,8,10 and 12.
    Rounds 2 and 11 even.



    Donald Curry vs. Marlon Starling II: 144-143 Curry
    Starling: 1,4,5,6,11 and 13
    Curry: 2,7,8,9,10,14 and 15.
    Rounds 3 and 12 even.


    Will be interesting to see if anyone scored either fight for Marlon. In my opinion he has an argument for winning both.

    Curry finished well in both fights, but I definitely think Starling has a case for winning either fight. Both times I thought Starling mugged Curry pretty well on the inside with his superior strength, though Curry had a decisive edge on the outside with his longer reach and well placed punches.
     
  2. Thread Stealer

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    I actually had Starling winning the first bout by a point.

    The rematch I never scored, because my copy is incomplete. It has the first few rounds, then misses some rounds. Starling was doing really well in the early going.
     
  3. Robbi

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    Never seen the first fight, SS. The rematch I have, however it's the ESPN version with around 3 rounds missing. Extremely competitve fight. Superb offense and defense by both inside and outside. Fought mostly at close quarters.
     
  4. Robbi

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    Snap.
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cheers TS.

    All in all I think Starling was a little unlucky to end up with two losses from those fights. Think it's unfair that Curry gets generally ranked as the better fighter too because of it. Both these guys were on the same level for me, and Starling probably had the better career all things considered.

    Never had a really decisive loss in his career. The Nunn fight was probably the clearest loss but even that was close I felt. Definitely think he won the second Breland fight.
     
  6. sweet_scientist

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    Yeah... I love the first Whitaker-McGirt fight but besides that the Curry-Starling fights are probably as good as you'll get in the welterweight division in the last 27 odd years as far as technical boxing goes.
     
  7. Mantequilla

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    I'd need to watch them again to post definitive cards, but my feeling from having watched both a few times is the first could have legitimately gone either way and that the second was a 9-6'ish Curry win.

    I actually thought Starling may have done enough to beat Nunn the last time i watched it.He was hitting the lazy Nunn with right hands all fight and not taking much flush in return.Just didn't step it up enough, but that was always the problem with Marlon.Along with Zapata,Lora and Benitez he just often seemed too enamoured with his ability to make fighters miss...ending up getting too little done offensively
     
  8. sweet_scientist

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    Nunn looked pretty apathetic (heck let's just make that pathetic) against Starling, and even though Starling got outworked, he was landing the cleaner, crisper stuff for sure.

    I applaud your tolerance levels for giving that bout multiple viewings Mante :D
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    I haven't scored the rematch, but I definitely got the impression that Curry was the better man throughout.
     
  10. Robbi

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    SP, how do you see Curry matching up with Napoles and Leonard if he was slightly more durable? It must be said that he never showed any serious weakness with durability prior to tackling Honeyghan. Maybe best just asking the same question, just ignoring the weight problems.
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    In that case, what it all comes down to IMO is variety and adaptability. Napoles and Leonard were extremely well schooled technically, but relied on other more innovative aspects of their game to take them to the next level. Curry was about as sound and effective technically at his peak as anyone I've seen, but I'm not sure he had that second gear and innovative talent that they had. He may never have, so I'd have to give both the benefit of the doubt over him. They'd make for excellent fights though, particularly against Napoles.
     
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    If he was more durable I think he would hang ok with Napoles but he would still be troubled by Leonard's raw athletic ability, which was on a different level to Curry's.

    Napoles would of course have the advantage in fluidity and I'd probably still pick him to eek out a win even if Curry did have greater durability.

    I think we received clues as to Curry's vulnerabilities (i.e. lack of durability) before he met Honeyghan. In his first fight with Starling, Mooch rocked him on a couple of occasions and forced Curry to more or less 'run' for a while until he regained his composure. Starling also cut Curry's lip and Don continuously licked at it, and kind of lost a bit of composure by being so preoccupied with the leaking blood. There was also of course Curry's unwillingness to grind with Starling on the inside, opting out by hugging Starling to get on the outside after the ref broke them up. Didn't seem comfortable in there.

    I also think he appeared uncomfortable with Jun-Suk Hwang's raw strength and bullying tactics. Hwang was too incompetent in the skills department to really expose a flaw in Curry's game, but all the same, Curry looked vulnerable to me.
     
  13. Sweet Pea

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    I think he proved in the rematch that he'd become a very highly skilled in-fighter, though. I actually think in-fighting became one of his biggest strengths. He was excellent in the pocket, just as poised and technically adept there as he was at mid-range IMO.
     
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    It's been a while since I've seen the rematch so it's not totally fresh in my mind. I do think he did a better in the rematch on the inside, but I still think Starling got the better of it there on the whole. Curry had excellent precision with his punches on the inside, but he lacked a bit of ferociousness to dig in and grind. Wasn't his style. But it's more of less why he could be beaten there. Starling certainly didn't have a more educated inside game, but he did have the scrapping mentality, and that's why I think he beat him there. I think someone like Whitaker would beat him there too, despite not having a strength advantage against Don. He'd just be more eager to have a go and get more done. Curry seemed a bit reluctant to me.

    I'll actually have a look at the rematch a little later tonight, see if I'm misremembering exactly what went down there. Wouldn't be the first time.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    You should rewatch it. I didn't get that impression at all, Curry just seemed a step ahead the majority of the time everywhere the fight took place.