The curse of fighting Bernard Hopkins

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anyone notice this trend with fighters who have fought Hopkins? Most of the fighters who have fought Hopkins, whether they won or lost against him, were never the same. The ones who were beaten by Hopkins (Pavlik, Tarver, de La Hoya, Trinidad, Pascal, Cloud, etc.) got ruined. And the ones who did beat Hopkins (Taylor, Dawson, Jones) eventually fell from grace. Calzaghe is Bernard's only conqueror who stayed the same.

    I think no matter what the result is this weekend I think Kovalev might suffer the same "curse", although I hope that is not the case with Kovalev's future.
     
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  2. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How was Jones never the same after fighting Hopkins?

    But I think there is some truth to your statement. It's something about fighting him that takes away his opponent's confidence perhaps. Cause they weren't able to do much against Hopkins in terms of landing anything significant, even the guys who won like Calzaghe, Taylor or Dawson.
     
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  3. Exposed

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    It's easy to stay the same when you never fight again, other than a washed up Jones who others beat far more convincingly.
     
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  4. Babality

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    Calzaghe beat jones more convincingly than anyone, just that he didn't KO him. It was a schooling, pretty embarrassing, more than his KO losses.
     
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  5. Serge

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    B-Hop ruined both Taylor and Pavlik? Interesting. If that's the case, then Pavlik's best wins came against a ''ruined'' Taylor, which then poses the question who did Pavlik beat to make him such a notable scalp for B-Hop? Miranda? Rubio? Meh.

    So that means B-Hop is boasting about beating and ruining the life of, which he says was his intention beforehand and has also since gloated about doing too (''Black vs White'') an alcoholic who he dragged up two divisions even though the alcoholic had never beaten anyone of note down in his own division two weights classes below, a division where the alcoholic's main assets were his size, strength and power advantages, advantages which all but vanished into thin air up at the higher weight (s).

    Pavlik was giving away 6lbs to B-Hop when they fought and he has never beaten anyone world class above 160, unless of course you want to count a ''ruined'' Taylor who was even more ruined by that stage because he'd been on the wrong end of a brutal stoppage loss to Pavlik in their first encounter.
     
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  6. Beatle

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    Pascal isn't ruined. I'd pick him to beat Adonis.
     
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  7. STB

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    Jones went on to have a HOF career after beating Hopkins!

    It was a full decade after the Hopkins fight that he "fell from grace"
     
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  8. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pascal looked horrid against Bute, I'd def b going with Stevenson if that is made
     
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  9. TheRat

    TheRat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When Joe stuck his head right in Roy's chest 10x and was still able to dodge his punches says a lot.
     
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  10. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pascal easily won his fight against a shot Bute.

    Pascal let Stevenson fight Dawson in order to fight Bute in a Montreal mega fight. Pascal's problem since Hopkins are promotionals issues, not fighting issues. Both fights were very close.
     
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  11. David HEY!!!

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    Somehow some way he luls his opponents into his fight,.
     
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  12. Capitan

    Capitan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is no curse!!!

    They give too much respect to Hopkins......just take the fight to him. Pressure his ass, push him back, lean on him...force him to fight every second of each round!!!
    Hopkins is ripe for the taking!!!

    Not sure what they're afraid of since Hopkins does not have one punch KO power. The Oscar KO was a fluke when Oscar went down from the Liver shot into a fetal position on the canvas.
    Regardless of the pain....I've been hit there....it was utter embarrassment!!!
     
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  13. plank46

    plank46 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    de la hoya and trinidad were overrated, already shot, and moved up multiple weights before fighting hopkins. cloud was never anything, pavlik was already self destructing, pascal is the exact same he has always been.
     
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  14. Serge

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    How did B-Hop ruin Oscar? Oscar had no right being at MW against an opponent that big, especially against an ATG one. He'd already been exposed in his previous fight at that weight by a green Felix Sturm who hadn't beaten anyone. And besides, Oscar didn't look too bad against Mayweather after B-Hop ''ruined'' him, and that was almost 3 years later when Oscar was coming off a 12 month layoff too.

    And as with Oscar, Cloud had already been exposed in his previous fight too. Campillo laid the blueprint on how to beat him but he was robbed over in the USA by corrupt judges. Cloud didn't just lay the blueprint on how to beat Cloud, he exposed a fatal flaw in his armory: Cloud's good if you stand in front of him and trade bombs with him, but he's not the most difficult to out box and he doesn't exactly deal with movement well, hence why even Adonis Stevenson turned boxer when he fought him, a tactic which took everyone by surprise, not least of all Cloud. Why does B-Hop get the credit for ''ruining'' Cloud? lol
     
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  15. killerD

    killerD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah calling it a curse is going way overboard.hopkins has never beaten an opponent in his prime in his own weighclass except tarver.roy beat a prime hopkins and nothing happened to him and taylor just won a belt again.
     
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