The Curse of the Cuban Heavyweights

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Balado lost to a very green Larry Donald in March 1992 on HBO (when the network stuck their toe in amateur boxing). So he wasn't too great at the time when fighting in the States.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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    How was Charles shot in 53? Charles was the number 1 ranked contender in the world coming off several wins over top 10 opponents. He would go on go put up an incredible fight against a Prime Rocky Marciano one year later. I think Charles took Valdes lightly, but the 1953 Ezzard Charles was still a very good fighter very dangerous

    He also knocked out Hurricane Jackson in 2 rounds who was known for being very durable and who was top 5 rated
     
  3. mcvey

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    You're right I don't know what that line is doing there.:huhPast prime, but not shot.
     
  4. mcvey

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    He also lost to:
    Galvez
    Sommerx2
    Nosterov
    Anders
    Henriguez
    Bobick
    Vyotsky x2 1 by ko
    Damiani
     
  5. Mendoza

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    And how many fight did he have? 302! Some of those losses happened after his prime. Others? Who knows if some were bad calls.

    As far as I know Stevenson was only stopped once in his amatuer career and it was by a big time puncher in Vyotsky.

    Back then the amatuer fights resembled real boxing matches, with the back drop of the cold war adding extra fuel to the fire.

    If you win back to back to back gold medals in the Olympics, you're special.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    Stevenson was the best that I have seen and in retropect Savon who had KO's over Tua and Haye but we really dont know what money and success and the pro transition would have done to him
     
  7. mcvey

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    Maybe some of his wins were bad calls? And most of those losses were when he was prime.
     
  8. mcvey

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    A special amateur not necessarily translating into a special pro as Audley Harrison proved.
     
  9. TBooze

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    Audley was not particularly special as an amateur either...

    He just had good timing, putting together his best form the 2000 Olympics in a particularly weak division that year.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

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    Charles fought Valdes in Miami (little Cuba) and 2 of the Judges had the fight 5-3-2 which not only indicates a very close fight but if one Valdes rd went to Charles it would have been a draw. Charles was tried very hard for a rematch but he beat Gilliam who beat Valdes and Valdes did not want a rematch.

    Ezz was very active during this period in fact he only lost 2 very close decision in 13 strait fights the other a disputed to Harold Johnson but then Valdes had a great run only losing to Archie in an elimination and then to Satterfield. Ezz had an explosive KO over Wallace and then Satterfield, he was on fire and the most deserving.

    If you add his activity level and his experience and ability he was a very tough package to beat when he challenge Marciano for the title. Remember Charles was not campaigning as a light heavy and he had already beat Archie, his best weight was a heavyweight and he was still very svelte and fit, a perfect fighters body

    As a Marciano fan I would have loved to see him fight Valdes because Marciano would have had an easier,slower,less defensive target then he was used to, the bigger men he fought all went by KO) it would have been a great KO win for Marciano 50-0 44KO but not without some opposition, unfortunately for Nino the timing of his losses to Moore and then Satterfield made a tittle fight less marketable and Rocky had no reason to fight on with all the other issues he was dealing with at the time.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Maybe, but if your talking about Stevenson as a professional, his size, skills and power in a longer distance fight would benefit him in a fight where he lost on points in 3-5 rounds. That is plausible to me.

    Again, the man had 300+ fights, and only lost a hand full in his prime. I see just one with known stoppage loss. You'd have to be blind not to see Stevenson's skills, and power on film.

    From 1972-1980 Stevenson won all three Olympic gold medals ( 72' 76' 80 ) at heavyweight and won both world amatuer titles at heavyweight in 1974, and 1978.

    Heck, he won the world amatuer super heavyweight in 1986 and he was on the decline at that point.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    A special amateur not necessarily translating into a special pro as Audley Harrison proved. - McVey

    Correct. The 2000 super heavyweight field was rather weak. 1996, 2004, and 2008 were better.

    Heck the heavyweight field in 2000 was better as it has Ibragimov, Savon, and Chagaev. I'd pick all three to beat the Audley Harrison in the amatuers or pro's
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    Did Savon fight Haye? I never heard that.

    Do you have any info on Savon-Haye?
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    my bed Haye fought Solis
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    Honest mistake. But I wish he had. I never heard of that fight. Thought there might be a hidden gem somewhere. :good