The Cut That Changed It All

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Fab2333, Nov 8, 2008.


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  1. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can make this judgement because Joe C spent his career at SMW, and dominated it until the time he left it.

    Your cut theory is against basic math, sorry, rough night for you, go to bed.
     
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  2. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're opinion on the 5th is irrelevant, on the official cards, RJJ needed to win every last round or he would not have won. The momentum was not changing to the point where Joe would have lost every round (much like RJJ did after the first :lol:)
     
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  3. sstevelcfc

    sstevelcfc Member Full Member

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    you say like calzaghe is a teenager
    and i agree he was a great champ
    one of the best
     
    sstevelcfc, Nov 8, 2008
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  4. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    RJ won the 5th but w/e, until you rewatch the fight, you will be a prisoner of the moment. So im not even gonna waste my time with that.
    And back 2 my original post, the whole feeling like he beat the best Roy Jones, go look how many threads now where people are saying Roy Jones is the most overrated fighte rin history. That is 2 show you that people are really thinkin that Joe accomplished somethin GIGANTIC.

    The whold g2 bed thing, isnt really doin anything 2 me man, ima grown ass man, im just a fan, i dont take it that serious, so you sayin that is pointless 2 me:lol:. May work with some other RJ fan, but RJ aint my daddy, feel bad 4 him losing, but thats where it stops.
     
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  5. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    one had more fights, 3yrs older, been ko'd 2wice, put his body through more stress. it matters
    Like i said if they were both 20 somethin yr olds then yeah.

    but up there close 2 40 and being 36 is different man. I have no xcuses, Calzaghe won period. But most people are making it seem like it was a HELL of an ACCOMPLISHMENT, to the point where people are sayin RJ is the most overrated fighter of all time.
    Thatsmy issue
     
    Fab2333, Nov 8, 2008
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  6. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, there are these things called judges, they determine who wins a fight shall it go the distance, the awarded every round after the first to Joe, that includes the 5th, RJJ lost the 5th, what you think on the matter is irrelevant.

    The cut happened at such a point in time that RJJ would have needed to win the rest of the fight, you honestly think that the cut was the reason RJJ lost every single round? You don't think Joe could have pulled out 2 rounds without the cut?
     
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  7. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    So just b/c the judge scores it that way means thats how it happens. So why do we come on here and argue past fights. We should all just say the judges saw it that way and thats it. Only reason why the perception seems the way it does is b/c of how he looked after the fight was over. That was thee only real shot he landed. RJ didnt do anything 2 even try 2 help himself, he threw no punches and joe pitty patted his way to the wide UD.
    I view these things differently, if Calzaghe was beating the **** out roy jones like landing punches and beatin him up 4 12 rounds I would b like damn he got his ass wooped. But RJ stood there and got pitty patted 2 a decision. He didnt do anything, if you take away that cut, I mean the perception wouldnt seem so bad. about the outcome. Wat i need 2 find out is how many punches RJ threw be4 the cut and how many h threw after the cut, whenever they release the stats ima post them
     
    Fab2333, Nov 9, 2008
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  8. sst

    sst Active Member Full Member

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    Jones got schooled in a huge mismatch. That is as objective as I can get after watching the fight.
     
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  9. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm watching it objectively and beside the knockdown Calzaghe dominates every minute of the fight. Roy connects a couple of times cleanly but without any effect on Calzaghe, loses every round of this fight. As a matter of fact if it wasnt for the knockdown the fight would be 12-0.
     
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  10. DaHead242

    DaHead242 Active Member Full Member

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    Joe had complete control of the fight, I dont need to watch it again. Calzaghe was on his way to victory before Roy starting bleeding worse than the 4th week at Lilith Fair. Joe was landing a lot of shots and throwing around 100 per round at that point. He was well within his comfort zone.
     
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  11. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    well its all gonna come down on wat u favor more, hard clean shots or just punches that arent really landing, but at least your doing something. Well thats the reason for judges then. If he was fighting in amateurs he wouldnt win 2 many fights, cuz judges are gonna score off the fighter that lands the punches not the slaps, but thats just me. We are gonna see things differently. I am just not a fan of him or his style. He won, i dont have no xcuse for RJ, like i said be4 im just a fan, thats his job 2 justify why he lost. BUt im sorry, Calzaghe 2 me is one lucky ******* is all ima say, and he seized his opportunity, against 2 Greats and took advantage. Congrats 2 him, but im still not impressed
     
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  12. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ex - ****in - actly !!!!!!!!

    this board has become a home for the f88kin ******ed of late
     
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  13. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its true what you are saying but the problem is Roy wasnt landing many clean punches, on top of it they didnt have any effect on Calzaghe, while Calzaghes punches, mostly on gloves, did the damage. He was reigning them punches, mostly didnt connect but some did and these punches were still like double to what RJJ connected with.
     
    maciek4, Nov 9, 2008
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  14. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    imho i think Calzaghe actually took it easy on him and didnt unleash hell on him because of the fact that he KNEW that RJJ was hurt badly with that cut...i mean he literally stood there hunched with his hands down looking straight at him pretty much BEGGING to be hit and Jones didnt answer...

    this is a clear sign of being Gunshy...im glad he had the heart to go out there and go the distance and i also believe that YES the cut did effect his overall performance because he couldnt really see due to half his ****in face being covered in his own blood...but i really dont think he wouldve made a significant difference in his punch output...it seemed from the start of the 2nd round that as soon as he noticed that Joe didnt respect his signature stinging jab that he sorta lost confidence in himself...and thus became gunshy...

    but believe me man...im sad about it too...seeing an American legend go down like that...he gave it his all but i agree with you in the sense that i think people are reacting WAAAAYYY too much about Joe's excellence and Roy being shot and overrated...i think they just spat on RJJ life...thats a shameful act :bart :nono
     
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  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    .....talk about showboating, did you all see Jones little dance after the 1st round was complete?

    I'm with you bro.....sweet payback is a *****!:yep
     
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