The De La Hoya wasn't drained against Pac theory

It's all pac's fault really. If he hadn't hit Oscar hard the first few rounds Oscar might not have looked drained. Pac got stupid penetrating those gloves and hitting Oscar's face. Oscar could've fought not looking afraid and indecisive.

 

Nice seeing that vid again. Amir's come a long way physically since then...not to mention Manny's english. In regards to Hoya's weight, he showed it himself and can't take it back...that's the thing with this whole catchweight criticism. BOTH fighter's agrees to it, and it's their job to adhere to it. Whining and bitching about it after the fact is just a pathetic cop-out in my book. And according to that video they had 3 weeks until the fight.

 

You have just made a moron of yourself ! This subject has been covered over and over here. Go back and check .There were interviews stating he had gone to a dietitian and was on weight two weeks before the fight. Oscar didn't do what boxers normally do and cut weight.

 

DLH definitely miscalculated how difficult it was for him to make 147 and paid a price. He was also way past his prime as a fighter, and that wasn't going to help matters any.

That being said, Pacquiao employed previously unseen side to side movement and defensive ability to make a drained, past prime DLH look even worse than he was. He was the underdog going into this fight because many observers (including this poster) thought he didn't have it in him to box as well as he did.

So, just because DLH was a shell of his former self shouldn't detract from the fact that Pac fought really, really well that night. The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive.:deal

 

the oscar that fought mayorga would have sent pacquiao into mental ******ation.

 

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/features/athletes-and-celebrities/golden-boy-training

 

It's Oscar's fault for doing it. However, I do not agree with those that act like Oscar was healthy that night. Even Roach agrees that Oscar was not healthy that night.

As if we are to believe that this is "Prime Oscar" that fought at WW years ago and it was some big feat that Manny accomplished.

I compare it to this....Gladiator. Remember when Maximus was stabbed in his kidney prior to fighting Commodus?
Well, imagine if he lost that fight instead of winning (although he did die at the end). Anyway, Commodus, if alive and the Victor, would have paraded himself around Rome like he was a Hero despite the little fact that Maximus was in ill health. Commodus liked that advantage. He needed that advantage. But this was just the movies. In reality, Maximus probably isn't so fortunate to be able to fight like he did.

So, Oscar screwed up. Yes. However, it doesn't take away the fact that Oscar was in ill health that night and it played a role in how bad he looked. Now would he have won if say, it was at 154 and he was "healthy" ?
We don't know. Maybe not. But I highly doubt he gets his ass beat like that. He was 35 years old and was losing weight to be 147 when he hadn't been in a long time.

 

Interesting article. Oscar was already at 156 at the beginning of camp, and was doing all these space age training and organic diet mumbo jumbo.

 

TS didn't state he was prime, only that he wasn't "drained". The connotation of drain is that too much fluids are taken out of your body to make weight and thus resulting in unnatural muscle loss and "weakening" you the day of the fight. Him being 147 3 weeks before the fight kinda debunks this notion...not to mention, in the article posted here, he started training camp at 156. Losing 9 lbs in 8 weeks doesn't qualify as an unhealthy weight drain. Personally I fluctuate 5lbs from the moment I wake up to the time I go to sleep. Read boxon's article....sounded like Oscar was healthy as could be doing all these holistic exercises.

 

Drained or not, the fact is Oscar looked like **** that night and a lot of fighters would have beaten him. Pacquiao was in rare form, regardless, and did what he had to do. It was a perfect storm of circumstances that resulted in one of the more one sided ass beatings you'll ever see at the top level.

 

Not only was Oscar drained and past prime,but Roach said he could not pull the trigger anymore,and Oscar said your right to him after the fight... It was right timing and Roach and Manny's part..

Before the fight the predictions were wrong because we thought we would see a healthy Oscar in the ring

 

agree..whos the *****??

 

Yeah, I was stating it in general from what I heard over the years from fans. As if this was a Prime Oscar that fought years ago at WW. As if this was his best Weight so this is the best Oscar again. And that Pac is this little guy going up against this Giant. And so on.

I say he was "drained" from a nourishment point of view. His body was depleted. It would be interesting to know what was going on with his body as well.

Time frame and body health: If his body, at this age, is not used to that weight, then Yes, it can have an affect. Every pound counts for an elite athlete...specifically boxers. Especially if we are talking muscle weight. Water and Fat weight are different. It depends what he was losing. And even then, you need balance for energy reasons.

As far as your weight, its WATER weight most likely. Plus food intake. Big difference between Water Weight, Fat weight, and Muscle weight. the most costly is Muscle. Water can be pissed out in no time. Fat can be burned quick. But Muscle, that's something you have to be careful with how fast you lose it. And its tricky. You can actually feel good losing the weight but your strength goes in the gutter.

The length of training, plus dieting, plus training...can have an affect on performance. You can feel good one day and then shut-down the next. Your stress levels and how your body reacts to it can be detrimental to performance.

He was also said to have been lit up in sparring.

 

If his body wasn't used to the weight, especially because he was 35 and years removed from being at that weight; it could take affect. Especially when forcing your body down in weight on a strict diet and training exercise. And the longer you are doing it, keeping your weight down, it could make it even worse because its causing stress to the body. If you stress your body, Cortisol levels can be thrown off...as well as other hormones.