The De La Hoya wasn't drained against Pac theory

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JohnAnthony, May 13, 2012.


  1. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    See the problem is...that's two totally different things. I actually agree, that Oscar wasn't used to fighting at that weight anymore having not been there for years....amplified by the fighting style of Pacquiao. But to say he was "drained"...is disingenuous and just criticizing for the sake of hating.
     
  2. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you serious? Again, again, and again, getting down to a fight weight is a fight all in itself and then comes the fight. You going to tell me he walked around at 147 with no problems. Oh yea, because he said so. He was selling tickets. You think he is going to blow a mega fight by saying he is struggling to get to 147 which he has not seen in so many years? He just wanted to prove he was the best still and took the fight and struggled with the weight. He was dehydrated period. With all the great fights he has given us, he was just going to quit like that. I was told being dehyddrated would be like Oscar being the tortoise and Pac being the Hair. Like someone just mentioned, the speed of Pac just finished off Oscar's heart.
     
  3. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    he was 156 at start of camp. and 147 2 weeks before.

    he looked terrible in the fight, because he was probably done/shot. but also cos |Pac was phenon.

    But my theory is. he wasn't drained
     
  4. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What? Drained/dehydration all the same. Your putting your body in danger by cutting so much weight especially a weight you have not seen in so many years coupled with age, and God knows what he did to lose the weight. Oscar's mindset was, "I can't lose to this guy". He probably thought he had enough talent and skill to beat Pac, but his body failed him.
     
  5. Caelum

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    even though I'm saying his body may have been drained compared to what it was when healthy ?

    So instead of eating to nourish the body, he was taking away from it.



    So basically; His body wasn't getting the proper nourishment needed for training causing his body was thrown off its proper equilibrium.

    How much water was floating around in is body ?
    Could he even lose water weight if he needed to or was his body just not able to keep the proper amount of hydrated fluid intake required for an athlete to run properly?



    How much energy was being used up eating...what was it...Kangaroo meat??

    Lots of questions to ask.



    And athletes and trainers tend to say: I'm in the best shape of my life (while getting beat up in sparring and looking flat in training). Its just one of those things.
     
  6. SugarShane_24

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    All in all not Pac's fault and his win should not be tainted or dragged down in any way.

    This is a win for him fair and square.
     
  7. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He had 8 weeks to cut 9lbs. There's a difference between being weak at the weight, and drained at the weight. Oscar was at 147 3 weeks before the fight...there was no draining involved.
     
  8. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    my how we forget history as time goes and the result is now known

    a brief front page look from ESB when the fight was announced
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17045&more=1
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    Or is the match-up a genuinely intriguing one, one that conjures up memories of days gone by in the sport of boxing, when it wasn't so crazy for a featherweight to wind up fighting a middleweight?
     
  9. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JohnAnthony, promotion. Think back for a second. Oscar was fighting at 154 so why would he be walking around at 156? Man, it is like the media and government. They are only going to tell you what they want you to know. You been here long enough to know even here at esb, one poster drops a rumor and everyone goes off with wild stories. Point is, Oscar did not want Pac and team to know of any type of weakness what so ever. Example: I have been in many of fights that I would get hurt by just say a good body shot, but I am going to do my best not to let you know and you know the answer why.
     
  10. SugarShane_24

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    link is **** bro.
     
  11. Caelum

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    Was it MUSCLE or FAT ?

    9 pounds of Muscle is HUGE. 9 pounds of Fat, not so much.

    Draining = body was drained from not getting the proper nutrients required to feed it.

    Was he able to hold in the proper amount of fluid ?
    Was his body digesting the right amount of food/nutritional intake to provide energy for a Pro Boxer?

    What affect was it causing on his body, at 35 years of age, and Years removed from walking around at 147 ?
    How much stress was it causing his body?


    Each pound Matters. Especially when it comes to Muscle Weight.

    If he was already in shape at 156, maybe most, if not all, of that weight was Muscle.
     
  12. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, promotions and marketing. It is working well for Oscar in his new job. Of course he going to tell you that or anyone else on his team. What, if he got caught lying, what is going to happen? Fans eat it up. He looked like a ghost walking down to the ring that night. Quitting on the stool? Damn, Pac must be that great then. If your that great, why all the catch weights?
     
  13. PaoloMirani

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    I see where you're getting at and I agree....Oscar was weak at the weight. However, he wasn't really drained since he was already at the weight 3 weeks prior according to that video. The issue here was if he lost it too fast in an unhealthy manner. To me that's what getting "drained" is....if you're 147 3 weeks before the fight, it suggests he did it the right way.
     
  14. iceman71

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    way too many idiots with bad memories haunt this board

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    so somehow we have evolved from total mismatch, to making excuses why DLH got massacred by a featherweight terror :rofl
     
  15. iceman71

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