The definitive PBF and Margarito thread to end all threads

Gatekeeper78 · Sep 25, 2008

Shaolin Box said:

Nicely put Pimp...:good

I dont think Pimp C hates Margo since i've seen him give Margo props in previous posts but rather I think he's just tired of all his delutional fans hating on PBF and saying how easily Margo would destroy PBF. Sometimes its the figters fans that make you begin to hate the fighter themselves - and I think that is whats happening now.
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good point.:good

Pimp C · Sep 25, 2008

Shaolin Box said:

Nicely put Pimp...:good

I dont think Pimp C hates Margo since i've seen him give Margo props in previous posts but rather I think he's just tired of all his delutional fans hating on PBF and saying how easily Margo would destroy PBF. Sometimes its the figters fans that make you begin to hate the fighter themselves - and I think that is whats happening now.
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Exactly! It's the fact that these guys live breathe and sleep to bash PBF every chance they get. When the guy has dominated 90% of the fighters he has been in the ring with and moved up from 130-154. They did the same with Jones another great and it's sickening.

BewareofDawg · Sep 25, 2008

Oscar retired Floyd, not Margo.

Pimp C · Sep 25, 2008

BewareofDawg said:

Oscar retired Floyd, not Margo.
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I knew you would chime in.:yep

BewareofDawg · Sep 25, 2008

Pimp C said:

I knew you would chime in.:yep
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It was a good post, truly was. But I'm not joining in on any Floyd nuthuggery this morning, so I figured I'd give you some **** instead :good

Pimp C · Sep 25, 2008

BigReg said:

I agree. There's no reason to drag Margo's name through the mud.The guy works hard and always comes to fight. He's not as talented as Floyd and doesn't have the style to rack up titles over multiple weight classes. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't seek to test himself. Many good fighters have stuck around and fought in one division their whole career. Bernard was a big MW and didn't move up until he was 40. However, I wouldn't say he was scared to test himself. He was a MW and wanted to prove himself as a great MW. Margo wants to do the same at WW.

I don't know why people on this board continue to **** on other fighters in order to defend their own fighters.
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Why shouldn't I? They hold PBF to that standard why can't I hold Margo? He hasn't moved up in weight and shown to be effective or great. He's a huge WW that should be fighting at 154 but due to his limited style has to stay at 147. If he moves up in weight he will be exposed. Atleast a guy like Williams who is a huge WW as well has moved up to fight at MW that says alot about him but he gets shitted on here as well and Margo is seen is a savior...pathetic.:-(

BewareofDawg · Sep 25, 2008

Margo has dragged Floyds name through the mud consistently to try and gain recognition at his expense. Pimp is dead on with what he posted. They are two hugely different size fighters. If Floyd had Margo's career strategy and plan he would still be fighting in the 130's...and a fight between him and any WW would be a hypothetical with a possibility of happening. Imagine that world? Floyd dominating Pac, JMM, EM, Juan Diaz, David Diaz, MAB, Juarez, Soto....probably all by stoppage. People have to understand that him staying down there isn't far-fetched AT ALL, and would have been completely acceptable. But no he moved up in weight to chase bigger fights and greatness. Only to be misrepresented as a naturaly WW or LWW or whatever else and be criticized for not fighting EVERYONE at those weights, instead of being praised for fighting ANYONE at those weights. And thats the ridiculous part.

Pimp C · Sep 25, 2008

BewareofDawg said:

Margo has dragged Floyds name through the mud consistently to try and gain recognition at his expense. Pimp is dead on with what he posted. They are two hugely different size fighters. If Floyd had Margo's career strategy and plan he would still be fighting in the 130's...and a fight between him and any WW would be a hypothetical with a possibility of happening. Imagine that world? Floyd dominating Pac, JMM, EM, Juan Diaz, David Diaz, MAB, Juarez, Soto....probably all by stoppage. People have to understand that him staying down there isn't far-fetched AT ALL, and would have been completely acceptable. But no he moved up in weight to chase bigger fights and greatness. Only to be misrepresented as a naturaly WW or LWW or whatever else and be criticized for not fighting EVERYONE at those weights, instead of being praised for fighting ANYONE at those weights. And thats the ridiculous part.
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Excellent post!
PBF is not a natural WW he's a small WW at best but still managed to beat bigger men and move up in weight. He could have very easily stayed at 130 and been the GOAT there but that wasn't what he wanted he wanted to test his skills and prove that he was the P4P best fighter in the world by moving up in weight and that's what separates him from guys like Margo who rely on size and the ability to take a punch from smaller men to win fights.:deal

BigReg · Sep 25, 2008

Pimp C said:

Why shouldn't I? They hold PBF to that standard why can't I hold Margo? He hasn't moved up in weight and shown to be effective or great. He's a huge WW that should be fighting at 154 but due to his limited style has to stay at 147. If he moves up in weight he will be exposed. Atleast a guy like Williams who is a huge WW as well has moved up to fight at MW that says alot about him but he gets shitted on here as well and Margo is seen is a savior...pathetic.:-(
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Margo can make 147 just fine, I have no problem with him fighting there. Your problem seems to be with Margo fans(many of them are delusional, hypocritical haters so I understand). I just see no reason to **** on Margo.

BigReg · Sep 25, 2008

BewareofDawg said:

Margo has dragged Floyds name through the mud consistently to try and gain recognition at his expense. Pimp is dead on with what he posted. They are two hugely different size fighters. If Floyd had Margo's career strategy and plan he would still be fighting in the 130's...and a fight between him and any WW would be a hypothetical with a possibility of happening. Imagine that world? Floyd dominating Pac, JMM, EM, Juan Diaz, David Diaz, MAB, Juarez, Soto....probably all by stoppage. People have to understand that him staying down there isn't far-fetched AT ALL, and would have been completely acceptable. But no he moved up in weight to chase bigger fights and greatness. Only to be misrepresented as a naturaly WW or LWW or whatever else and be criticized for not fighting EVERYONE at those weights, instead of being praised for fighting ANYONE at those weights. And thats the ridiculous part.
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All your points are excellent. However, Margo never really dragged Floyd's name through the mud. That was mostly Arum, and boxing writers. The fans followed suit and jumped in on the party.

BewareofDawg · Sep 25, 2008

BigReg said:

All your points are excellent. However, Margo never really dragged Floyd's name through the mud. That was mostly Arum, and boxing writers. The fans followed suit and jumped in on the party.
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I'm not bashing Margo. I've become a huge fan of his. But he, whether directed by Arum of not, it was 'Team Margo' that created the "Most Feared Man in Boxing' Tag and it was centralized around the claim that Floyd was afraid to fight him. Claiming the P4P best is afraid of someone in "his weightclass" is dragging his name through mud. I quoted "his weightclass" because in reality it's not his weightclass, he could and should be lower. :deal

yodaddyboxing · Sep 25, 2008

Pimp C said:

For all you pussies who like to call PBF a coward school is in session...this thread is for you bitches.

PBF started his career at 130 and has moved up all the way to 154 and won a title there but no matter what he does or who he beats there's aways an excuse by his haters. When he beat the longtime champ at 130 G.Hernandez in only his 18th pro fight it was because Hernandez was done. When he stopped the late great Chico in a clinic it was because Chico was weight drained and not focused. When he fought JLC the first time injured and won JLC was robbed, When PBF gave him an immediate rematch healthy and beat him he gets no credit. When he moved to 140 to fight Gatti he was going to get Koed by a warrior. When PBF puts on the boxing display of the decade Gatti is shot and a bum. When he moved to 140 to fight Zab, PBF can't deal with the speed and power of Zab, when PBF beats him Judah is a chinny headcase. When he fights Baldo for the linear title at 147. Baldo is a legit WW he's too strong no way PBF can beat him, when he beats him Baldo is a bum who got lucky. When he moved up to 154 for his first fight in a class he had no business at to face an ATG in Oscar he was going to get KOed by the first left hook that landed, when he never gets hurt and outboxes Oscar to a win Oscar is old and shot. When he moves back down to fight Hatton before the fight was signed everyone said PBF would never fight a relentless undefeated and prime guy like Hatton and Hatton would pound him til he quit, When PBF made him dance with the ringpost then Hatton was too small and never good anyway.

Do you see the pattern here? Whatever PBF does despite moving up in weight it's never enough and his critics are always right there to make excuses. The fact is PBF has no business at 147 or 154 but still managed to win there speaks volumes about skill and greatness and it's why their hero Margo will never do it but haters won't give him his due. The man is an ATG won Ring fighter of the year in 1998 and 2007. Been in the top 10 P4P since 1998 and one of the best fighters of his era who won and retired undefeated from 130-154.

Now on to that ***** Margo. I'll still say Margo is scared to test himself against bigger men. He got beat at his own game by a bigger man in Williams at 147 and turned down a career high payday in the rematch. He got beat by Santos at 154 and ran his ass back down to 147 to fight smaller men never avenging the loss. When Margo moves up in weight and takes flush shots from Pavlik at 160 or Abraham at 160 and laughs then he's proved something until then he's a ***** and a coward like so many of you call PBF. When he moves up 5 weight classes like PBF and wins the linear championship at 168 and picks up a belt at 175 against somebody like Dawson then talk to me because until then he ain't done ****. He's just a weight draining limited ***** looking to call out smaller men who he can use his size and chin against, see the Cotto fight for reference.:deal If PBF stayed at 130 and called out smaller men like MAB and EM without ever moving up you would never hear the end of it but Margo does it and it's ok sorry not gonna fly anymore around here....not good enough.

When you call an ATG and one of the best fighters of his era a ***** and a coward it's only right for me to call a limited guy like Margo who has never challenged himself against bigger men the same. When he moves from 147 to 175 and remains undefeated while doing so holla at me until then **** off.:hi:

And with that said Pimp C strikes the match and lights the fire that finally burns ESB to the ****ing ground.:fire
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Margo started his career at 135...

he also turned pro at 15 and fought grown ass men...but he's a ***** lol

yodaddyboxing · Sep 25, 2008

BigReg said:

All your points are excellent. However, Margo never really dragged Floyd's name through the mud. That was mostly Arum, and boxing writers. The fans followed suit and jumped in on the party.
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EXACTLEY.. he basically stepped to Floyd and said "i wanna fight you "..:good

yodaddyboxing · Sep 25, 2008

Pimp C said:

Excellent post!
PBF is not a natural WW he's a small WW at best but still managed to beat bigger men and move up in weight. He could have very easily stayed at 130 and been the GOAT there but that wasn't what he wanted he wanted to test his skills and prove that he was the P4P best fighter in the world by moving up in weight and that's what separates him from guys like Margo who rely on size and the ability to take a punch from smaller men to win fights.:deal
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what bigger men did he beat at WW?

bALDOMIR ?

BewareofDawg · Sep 25, 2008

yodaddyboxing said:

EXACTLEY.. he basically stepped to Floyd and said "i wanna fight you "..:good
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Yeah. He also used the system and the way the sport of boxing is structured to his advantage and against Floyd in public. It is a living truth in the sport that the big names will chase legacy fights but more importantly (these days) money fights. Margarito understands this and plays by these rules. Floyd was playing the same game in turning down Margo....its risk vs reward. Its not fear to say a fighter is too much risk for too little reward. I don't think there is a fighter alive who will say NOBODY is a threat inside that ring. Floyd recognizes that Margo is a dangerous fighter and made a business / personal / career decision to choose another fight. BIG DEAL. Margo does the same ****. Floyd had the Delahoya fight on the horizon.....who in their right mind would risk losing that opportunity???? Margo has recently ignored the top WWs in interviews and called out Delahoya :deal Bypassing an opportunity to TAKE the linear title from Baldomir to fight Margo for his WBOgus bull**** title would be ******ation to the highest degree. Not to mention, nobody knew who the **** Margo was then! At least with Baldomir they had the Gatti victory to go on, and everyone knows Gatti so there was a connection to the mainstream fanbase :deal

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