The DEFINITIVE STATEMENT on the MARGOrito-Williams-Quintana TRIANGLE

If Quintana beat Margarito 1 year ago...and if Quintana held the most recent victory in his bouts with Williams, we would all have forgot about Paul Williams already...that however is not how it went down.

...but since this is reality and not an alternate universe, Quintana is the one who doesn't factor into the equation at this point.

Williams has one loss...which he avenged very recently.

Williams faced Margorito...and beat him recently, within the last year.

Williams is the man right now...those of you making the point that Margo should give Carlos a rematch because he received one, are off base. As champion Williams needs to face other champs or the next conteder.
If Carlos wants to fight again after just being dispatched of by Williams, he needs to pick up another strap.

Those who argue on behalf of Margo's resume need to stop...for about 2 years Antonio has been bitching that he couldn't get a fight with any top guys, now his huggers want to plead his case based on his resume...I'm sure he'd be pleased and puzzled that you are so impressed with it.

I'm not saying Margo can't beat Williams, he certainly has a chance...but there is no way that it goes without saying, the events of the recent past are still too vivid in peoples minds. Some balance is called for.

 

The silence of the Margo Marks is deafening...sound reasoning prevails.

 

...and I typically agree with you.

However it is a mistake to use resume in place of actual history to make a comparison between fighters...especially when it is very recent history in boxing terms.
If the fighters have not fought than an analysis of resume may be useful, but not in place of the actual competition that it seeks to determine the outcome of.
Listing all of the other little points are simply interesting tidbits that would be worth speculating about if they have not been in the ring already.

 

One reason I prefer boxing to the other sports you mentioned is, when the fighters are in the ring with each other...that is ultimately what settles it.

When the discussion is between Margo-Williams-Quintana, it's easy to analyze the situation. Looking at everybody else does nothing but confuse the issue, and make cases based on factors other than head to head competition.

I like Clottey, but Margo dealt with him...I like Cotto, but Margo dealt with him...I like Margo, but Williams dealt with him.

Beating other guys besides who beat you recently, especially when that guy who beat you has a belt, is a secondary issue.

When a champ loses his belt he is not #2...he goes to the back of the line, or tries to grab a rung on the way down the ladder to pull himself back up. If he can score an immediate rematch and win, than he reclaims his position...unless a rival champ holding an unavenged win over him is active.

This is not the olympics, f*ck a cumulative score.

 

...and you should learn to be relevant...

"I think Margorito would be a heavy heavy favorite iin a rematch with Williams..."


No ****...

If I want a response I can get it, don't need advice from a "master of the obvious." What a mark...

 

I don't think so...you are discarding actual toe-to-toe performance in favor of an on paper analysis based on a cumulative system...the way I choose to evaluate fighters is based on their performance in the ring against each other...it's up to them as individiuals. It' snot always possible, but in this case there is history...the fact that it's such recent history determines that it is most relevant.

I don't seek to determine the rankings of the entire division this way, which as you pointed out could be a problematic task...only to clarify the status of it's champions, in relation to one another.

 

No he would just be an asterisk on Margarito's record. Any reasonable fan would have to ask, why not avenge your loss.

It's like with WLAD, and I hate to bring him into it, but he's actually a good example here...

When Brewster was still a HW Champ I would not rank WLAD above him until he either...

1. Avenged his loss to Brewster...or

2. Defeated Sergei Lyakhovich after he defeated Brewster...or

3. Defeat Briggs after he beat Sergei

WLAD did a good job by beating Brewster in the rematch...and also defeating Briggs' conqueror IGGY. Completely clarifying the situation, and eliminating any detractors claims to his position.

As a side note, and there unfortunately always is one with KLIT... Brewster was on medical suspension in the U.S. when that fight took place in Germany. Here's an HBO bigwig claimng later that they didn't
know at the time...

Ross Greenburg says, “We didn’t know at the time that Brewster was on medical suspension when he fought Klitschko.”
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