The Devil's Advocate: Was CJ Ross Really That Far Off With Her Canelo/Floyd Scorecard

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  1. CST80

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    Disgraced scorned hated and despised Nevada Boxing Judge CJ Ross was forced to make the walk of shame and retire from judging the sport after not one but two atrocious judging jobs, first came with her 116-112 score for Bradley/Pacquiao in 2012 and the match that put the proverbial nail in the coffin of her career was of course involving the King Of Las Vegas himself. Mayweather/Canelo which she scored an at the time scornful outrageous 114-114 score.

    But let me play the Devil's Advocate here for a few seconds, was she really that far off, is that really so much of a stretch? I initially scored it 116-112 the exact same score as Moretti, I gave the 1st and 3rd rounds to Canelo and the 9th and 12th. But when I watched the match again and not in slow motion and not the incredibly biased American version with commentary from arch Floyd ass kissers Malignaggi, Bernstein and Ranallo, and I kind of almost saw what CJ Ross may have been seeing that night. My score turned into 115-113 for Mayweather after giving Canelo the 2nd round as well. And if you add in another round the 10th or 11th then voila it becomes a draw.

    Clearly Floyd was landing the cleaner work throughout the match, but almost all of the rounds with the exception of the 4th, 5th and 6th were competitive with Canelo landing body shots, left hooks, decent counters, straight rights and occasional flurries along the ropes, it wasn't near the shutout or schooling that most claim it was, but that is to be expected with Floyd Mayweather fans, Canelo didn't fight aggressively enough, didn't cut off the ring very well, and tried to fight a tactical fight with the most skilled fighter of this era, but for all of his shortcomings in that match, he did far better than most want to credit him for, possibly enough on activity alone to win by a very very slight margin some close rounds. And in the end possibly even deserving of a draw or at the very least a closer score.

    For the record......the other two judges Dave Moretti and Craig Metcalfe saw it as a draw as well....kind of. You get a draw if you combine their individual scorecards.

    David Moretti with his score of 116-112 gave Canelo rds. 3,9,11,12.
    Craig Metcalfe with his score of 117-111 gave Canelo rds. 2,10,12

    If you combine the rounds they gave to Canelo it means they saw Canelo winning Rounds 2,3,9,10,11,12....That's Six Rounds.


    CJ Ross gave him Rounds 1,3,8,9,11,12.
    Here's the evidence.
    http://fightnews.com/Boxing/mayweather-canelo_scorecard.jpg

    As far as Compubox goes, they as usual are way off in their assessment of the match, Mayweather didn't come close to landing 232 to Canelo's paltry 117.
    http://compuboxonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/myweather-alvarez.jpg

    Someone even did a video illustrating this on Youtube by isolating all of Mayweather's landed punches in the match.
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    So I'm not saying Canelo won, but........ is a draw totally implausible? Maybe Not.....or maybe it is.

    You be the judge........again.
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes. Yes she was that far off.

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  3. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    yeah...she was...

    people are trying to bait mayweather
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What was your score Rummy?
     
  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I forget. I actually picked Canelo to stop Floyd! :lol:

    But about 20 seconds into the first round, I remember exclaiming something to the effect, "Oh dung! Canelo looks slower than me in there!"

    That, along with the JMM fight, were the 2 most dominant performances Floyd had post-retirement, IMO.

    I think I had it 11-1, or 10-2, but I wasn't particularly confident in the round or 2 I gave him.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I picked Floyd by a shutout schooling, and I wasn't expecting much from Canelo to be honest, I didn't rate him very highly and thought he barely scraped by Trout, but he actually did better than I thought he would. Maybe the difference in expectations we had going into the fight effected out judging, causing you to be too harsh or me being too lenient.

    But even now I don't think it was a draw but I can see where she was coming from a little more.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

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  8. SelfUppercut

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    The rounds themselves were mostly pretty close, it's just that most people thought Floyd did enough to win most of them.
     
  9. yesihavearm2

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    Yes, she was that far off. Mayweather was schooling him, probably as bad as any fighter he has faced in recent times.

    The fight wasn't close, anything less than 8-4 is really dubious.
     
  10. Xelloss

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    *Hands CST80 a fire proof suit *

    Here, I think you are going to need this :lol:
     
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  12. Super Hans

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    I gave Canelo 3,9,11,12. At the same time he barely won those rounds and was more down to Mayweather not winning them.

    The judge who scored Brook Porter a draw last year was even more disgraceful, and little is made of his card
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    How about rounds 1 and 2, Canelo lands a crisp left hook at the end of round 2 and is fairly active, round 1 almost nothing happens its evenish, could you conceivably give either of those two to Canelo?
     
  14. Cafe

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    One of the most ridiculous scorecards I've seen.
     
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fight was basically a draw. CJ Ross’s scorecard was fine. The attacks on CJ Ross as a judge were ridiculous. Most of the rounds in this fight were even or too close to call, but there was a single round that Floyd dominated and won clearly. (IIRC the 7th?)

    Given the lack of even 10-10 rounds that are scored in modern boxing, there were many rounds that could have been given to Canelo, but as with most boxing matches it depends on personal preference. Boxing judging is subjective.

    Being honest, I thought Floyd won the fight, by a razor thin margin. However, given the ridiculous 152 catchweight that Canelo was forced (by Floyd) to agree to, I still consider Canelo an undefeated fighter. Floyd said himself that he still considered Cotto an undefeated fighter because he was weight drained vs Pacquiao and his only other loss (at the time) was to Margarito who was accused of cheating.

    So by Floyd’s own words and logic in regard to Cotto, Canelo is still an undefeated fighter.