The Devil's Advocate: You Could Make An Argument Floyd Has Fought Nothing But Bums.

I'm guilty of this against Hagler, Chavez, GGG and Pavlik. Anybody's resume can be critiqued.

 

you can sure as heck try

but I don't think anyone is going to buy it..no sane person anyway

don't you think its rather sad you have to attempt to put down an ATG because your favorite fighter gets ****ped on everyday here because his resume is complete garbage?

this thread is pathetic......when yer done please write an 80k word essay on the Joachim alcine/david Lemieux tilt...id really like to hear your thoughts on that one

"well uhh... Lemieux was too young ...too green" lol...

you guys will stop at nothing...cant bring yourself to utter a negative word about your god...its always someone elses fault lol

 

lets see...Floyd has sold how many ppvs? live gate records? made how much money? not bad for a guy with no endorsements huh?....I guess he fooled a lot of people...and all of those who supported him are idiots?

but the 97k who support ggg? well they are ones who are solidified ....they are the ones who represent tried and true truth

 

I think the intention of the thread was to show how easy it is to be bias against a resume. He mentioned this is in support of Wilder as well who also gets a lot of threads about his resume

 

Floyd resume is solid. Like Top 20-25 ATG solid. But it could've been been top 10-20 ATG if he had chosen different time to fight some of the fighters.

 

It's pretty easy to pick apart fighter's resumes when holding it against a different light.

Certainly guys that have a good number of debated wins on their resume, fought guys when clearly past their primes and ducked top class opponents in their division.

Floyd's resume is very good, but the biggest hole in it isn't who he fought, or when he fought them... it's that he had total control over who to fight, when and where it suited him, under circumstances that suited him.
He never had to fight an opponent when he was "hot". Never needed to go to another fighter's backyard because he lost the pursebid against his mandatory, because he didn't had to fight his mando's at all.

Anyway, his resume is very good, no complains there.
Only resumes don't tell the whole story.

 

One is justified in identifying the many holes in Floyd's career. For example, without any legitimate case for being so, beating Andre Berto was a passport to a Floyd fight (Ortiz and Guerrero). Floyd ducked Pac for more than half a decade and when he finally faced him, fought the most cautious fight of his career. This was a Pac that had been brutally knocked out in recent times! And when you consider that Floyd had a significant size advantage and ended up being the one called in question for possible doping, it's why Floyd will never be seen as a warrior like the Big Four or even his contemporaries (Pac, Marquez, Golovkin).

 

Basically, chickens fight bums, warriors fight champs, regardless if it is common opponents. That's the logic in a nutshell.

 

Your debate on his resume would make sense if he fought like that his entire career, but anyone who watched him since his SFW days knows what you just said isn't true at all.

Up to the time he fought at 140 lbs, he literally took on all comers. He also fought them at any venue, las vegas or not. He took on many guys that were coming into their match with him "hot." Even at the higher weights, it wasn't like he took on guys coming off long losing streaks- he beat Baldomir who hadn't lost in about 8 years, he beat an undefeated Hatton who had over 40 wins on his resume when they fought. He also beat many other fighters who were "hot" coming into his fight in his later years, guys like Guerrero who hadn't lost in years and Alvarez who never lost up to the point they faced and just came off a big time win against Trout.

It also should be said for almost ten years he didn't do any business with TR or its fighters. SO essentially he had a smaller pool of opponents to pick through and that was mainly at his WW and JMW reigns. So guys like Ortiz (who obviously isn't viewed in a favorable light these days) were actually viable candidates at the time. Ortiz was the WBC champion at WW and was arguably at the time one of the 3 or 4 best fighters in the division.

I get the point of the thread, but Mayweather might not be the greatest guy to make an example out of when comparing him to Gennady. We're talking about a guy who won titles in 5 weight classes and was the true champion in 4 of them. He also beat the other great fighter of his generation in rather dominant fashion.

It would've been really nice if he maintained a business relationship with ARum and fought TR fighters throughout his WW and JMW reigns, it would've allowed him to probably fight Bradley and a younger version of Manny Pacquiao, but all in all the guy has had a stellar career and almost always took on the best challengers available at the time.

Like many posters have already mentioned, you can find ways to expose any pro fighter's resume, but I'd rather view them in a positive light and try not to skew my assessment on their body of work so it fits my agenda.

 

i agree with everything you said except for the canelo part. okay the fight was at 152. but canelo was seen by many as a serious threat. even i was surprised floyd picked him. many consider him to be the future of the sport

 

Floyd fought Berto (who lost 50% of his fights the last couple years) instead of doing the catchweight fight with GGG to end his career. This from a guy that says hes better than Ali, Robinson etc.

No need to say anything else.

 

LOL Floyds resume is pure ****. give me a break. He only fought 2 count em, 2 elites while they were still in their prime and if you want argue cotto is an elite and was prime, then I'll give you him. Literally the last half of Floyd's career was facing washed up greats or tomatoe cans. And it wasnt as if he destroyed any of them. :roll:

 

You say tomatoe, i say tamattaaaaaaaaeoeoe

Floyd is a pure ***** and his resume is disgrace for such a gifted boxer


Which 2 prime elites are you giving him btw?

Castillo? His best win. Still, it only level the series

Cotto? You giving him Cotto after what Tony and Pacquiao did to him? ***** want nothing to do with him when the people demand fight

 

The Canelo fight was not an impressive win. Haymon and Schaeffer were in the process of hijacking Golden Boy, so that fight had a very strict expiration date. Canelo was not only green (and arguably LOST to Trout), but he was also badly drained (an advantage Leonard Ellerbe happily boasted about).