The difference between Joshua and Wilder.

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  1. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Joshua is the much better boxer, physically bigger and stronger guy, WAY better technical skills and skilled altogether, and I think he will have the much better and more memorable career. I think he beats pretty much any fighter that would beat Wilder.

    I also think Wilder KO's Joshua. Wilder has two or three things in spades that Joshua lacks, and they are: speed(all of it -- hand, foot, reflexive...), fluidity, and overall athleticism. I'm not saying Joshua isn't fast or athletic -- he is, at least for his size, but with Wilder they jump off the screen at you and you know he has them regardless of size. I also think Wilder is the clearly more explosive guy, and that goes for punching power.

    I really don't see or believe any other fighters out there will come close to beating Joshua right now, except for Wilder. But...... I think a few or more would/could take Wilder out. I also don't believe Wilder has the right mentality or mindset to stay on top if he ever gets there, while I think Joshua has that in spades.

    I think Joshua goes down as an ATG at the end of the day, with Wilder being the lone thorn in his side and I think Wilder and his career will go down as good but not great or maybe a "what could have been....."
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yet still head and shoulder above anyone Wilder has faced
    Stiverne hadnt fought for even longer and was one fight removed from a loss with the win being over a fighter who had lost a quarter of his fights
    Never said Joshua/Wlad was for the lineal title. when the lineal champ said he would face Wilder in his back yard (To Wilders face), Wilder was still talking about facing Povetkin next.

    Wilder also won a title from a guy who fought for a vacant title.


    You look a complete fool LMAO.
    Look at how everything you wrote also applied LOL.
    Difference is Joshua fought Wlad. Wilder never did, Joshua beat an undefeated champ, Joshua has fought some big punching HWs, Joshua is a unified champ. Joshua has had only around half the fights.

    I like Wilder and hopefully he will get a few big wins and be able to get the Joshua bout
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its funny how easily people get swayed by a KO

    Wilder went into the 9th round with Molina who Joshua beat in 3 rounds in what looked more explosive.

    Now Wilder has beaten a not overly active Stiverne and suddenly...

    Did Wilder look as explosive in fights with Duhaupas, Molina, Arreola, Szpilka
    Like Joshua did in fights with Molina, Martin etc?
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    The differences between Wilder and Joshua are plain to see.

    Joshua has better fundamentals and technique, is clearly far stronger and is a more complete fighter in my opinion. He's also far more cerebral in and out of the ring, there's an obvious methodology to everything he does. In his earlier fights you can literally see him trying things out. He's for more economical and less likely to make a mistake in comparison to Wilder. His progression as a fighter is on a far steeper curve too, the sooner this fight happens for Wilder the better, because Joshua will only get better with time.

    Wilder is a more instinctive fighter. He throws some crazy shots, does things that he shouldn't but is more unpredictable because of it. He's also faster and more explosive, though I believe Joshua does have more raw power. It's like comparing the clubbing power of Foreman to Tyson's explosive combination of speed and power. Tyson got the more highlight reel KO's but Foreman is regarded as the guy with more raw power.

    Wilder despite this still obviously has a punchers chance. But I think the systematic approach Joshua brings will overcome Wilder unpredictability. Wilder will have his moments but the consistency of Joshua combined with his ability to end a fight at any moment too will ensure he comes out on top.
     
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  5. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Peep this dumbass, clown ass response, lmao.
    Why is it that all of Joshua's fans say the same ol ****, same old lies day in and day out? I mean it's the exact same **** daily, lmao. Every freakin day. I'm the last guy that you're going to convince when it comes to Joshua's stiff ass, lmao.
     
  6. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Takam showed us that Joshua lacks a jab, lateral movement and a right hand that is thrown with terrible technique. He honestly can't move. And I'm going to be honest. Had Wlad been a few years younger, we probably wouldn't have gotten the Wlad Joshua fight, and if we did...Joshua would've been finished by Wlad.

    In boxing, once you become a pro...you can talk about technique all you want, but there are fights where technique won't matter because it just becomes a fight. Wilder will force Joshua to fight. Wlad boxed Joshua and did very well, but he was old and couldn't capitalize after hurting Joshua. Credit to Joshua for surviving but Wlad was still 41.

    Guys talk about Joshua's technique, but it was terrible against Takam, and his fans don't want to acknowledge that.
     
  7. Farmboxer

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    Just watch them both and you can see that Joshua has much better skills, Wilder can't box, his punches come from left field!
     
  8. Brighton bomber

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    His jab is a weakness in comparison to past super heavies like Wlad and Lewis who had better jabs. But Wilder's jab is poor too, he struggled badly with Washington's jab, was constantly pushed back by it and forced to reset and Washington's jab is garbage, Joshua will very likely out jab Wilder based off of the Washington fight.

    Joshua's right hand is fine and you can't say Wilder's right hand technique is better because it clearly isn't.

    Joshua does have poor movement, it's his biggest flaw and will likely be the reason we one day see him lose against a more agile fighter. But Wilder isn't that fighter. Wilder isn't good off the back foot, we've seen that numerous times with numerous opponents. When boxing defensively he often puts himself in bad positions which is why we see him rocked and struggle with vastly inferior fighters.

    Even if it does become a war or fight as you say, I think Wilder comes off 2nd best. Wilder is vulnerable when unloading. His wide shots and poor balance will see him dropped time and again until Joshua KO's him. Joshua is a competent counter puncher and will use Wilder's aggression against him.

    His technique was fine against Takam. He just had an elusive target in front of him that moved and made him miss a lot and forced him to chase which exposed his poor movement. Where Joshua could do better here is to use his jab more effectively. He was struggling to land it, but a jab doesn't need to land to actually even be effective because a jab has multiple purposes.

    He should of used the jab to put Takam out of position. It's what Kovalev did so well vs Ward, he jabbed, Ward slipped the shot but sometimes put himself in positions where it was harder to counter and that's when you should follow up with an attack. You keep using the jab to offset and only attack when they are out of position. Joshua would of had more success had he been more selective with the attacks behind his jab, instead he became too predictable and was countered more on the way in. If he can learn to do this before he faces Wilder then Wilder is in serious trouble because he'll use it to keep Wilder on the back foot and out of position where he is very prone to attacks.
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your're so dumb
    I havent tried to convince you of anything. You were looking at facts.
    I guess you struggle with them, lmao
     
  10. like a boss

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    Either has the power to stop the other. It won't be one way traffic.
     
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  11. Brighton bomber

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    I only just watched this fight and OMG I knew Stiverne would be bad when coming in that heavy but that's one of the most pathetic performances I have ever seen. I heard he didn't throw a punch but he did he threw 5 jabs which all missed by a mile.

    You can literally see the moment Wilder realises he has a human punching bag in front of him. He puts a disdainful look on his face, thumps his chest I think then throws the 1-2 that drops him. The 2nd knockdown was crazy, Wilder doesn't even bother to adopt a stance, he just stands there square on, with his hands down, he looks like he's in a queue not in a boxing ring in a fight and just unloads, his feet are not even set, they were literally arm punches and Stiverne collapses.

    The manner of the win was impressive no doubt. But he had nothing in front of him. That Stiverne would of probably been KO'ed by Rossy. That Stiverne was not even a top 30 fighter in my opinion. But Wilder did what he had to do and did it impressively, I can see why nobody wanted this fight.
     
  12. Mr "T"

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    Joshua is an interesting character-propped up by big money to portray him as a return to the Black Badass Heavyweight's...ala... Sonny Liston, with the finesse of Joe Louis- he's neither. He's a fraud. An Over-muscled weight-lifter that has minimal boxing skills
    with a bad jaw. I think Wilder plays with him- 2nd KO
     
  13. Mr "T"

    Mr "T" Well-Known Member Full Member

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    41 year old Wlad had him out then coasted. 47 year old Vitali would have finished him- this guy is a fraud to the highest level-lifts weights to enhance his image only-he's ready for a real beat -down.
    30 year Wlad would have had him knocked- out in 5 rounds
     
  14. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Peep this wimpy ass answer, lmao. The only facts that you ever tell are facts that fit your dumbass agenda. You'll type that Joshua beat Wlad. I'll type that Joshua beat a old 41 year old Wlad coming off of a loss and layoff.

    And you can't even spell "you're" you sorry dumb ****en ass Joshua **** gobbling troll.

    Where's Loudon at? He should be here too, Lmao.
     
  15. BlizzyBlizz

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    I didn't see Washington give Wilder trouble with the jab. Duhaupus's jab gave him trouble. Wilder is starting to utilize his athletic ability to a avoid hard Wilders and he's learning to parry and roll with his opponents jab.

    Wilder jab has improved tremendously as he has one of the best teachers in Breland. Wilder also shortened his jab as Lennox taught him to as well.

    Joshua can be hurt to the body and his chin is suspect. Wilder throws winging shots, looping shots and he throws straight shots. That's what will get Joshua into thinking that it's a fight. His balance is just too tight and stiff.

    Takam wasn't really elusive. He parried with Joshua's shots and blocked a lot of them, and covered up well. But Joshua's technique was so poor, that he couldn't land with his true power and many of his shots looked like arm punches. Joshua can't outbox Wilder.

    If Joshua can get past Wilders jab and then get inside and fight Wilder on the inside then he has a chance. His size can either work with him or against him. That's what us fans want to find out.