The difference between Mayweather and real ATG

Did you read my post once or just glance at it.

The point I'm making is that people continue to say Floyd is scared to RISK his 0 by fighting a true threat like the real ATG fighters put their records at RISK.

But obviously there was RISK in going up in weight to fight a guy that is a future HOF and would probably outweigh you by 10 pounds on fight night.

Surely that would put his 0 at RISK, the same 0 that people says he doesnt want to put at RISK even for millions (remember the Margarito argument that he turned down a high career day of 7 million because he didnt want to put hos 0 at RISK).

Hence my post was about RISK.

Sorry I should have mentioned the word RISK so you got it even though no where in the thread title did it mention the word RISK.

 

RISK, RISK, RISK. :rofl You're a funny guy, I'll give you that.

 

That was a completely shot version of Oscar.
I think the op is making some valid points.

 

Floyd ain't no real fighter. At least not anymore. James Toney is a real fighter. Guys like Toney, Morales, or the fighters Blade listed, to name just a few, stepped into the ring because they loved fighting. And if this meant taking risks against bigger men, they didn't give a damn a went for it. Floyd doesn't want to take risks, he's in it for the money. Safety first, like he fights in the ring. His stepping up to face big n'bad DLH is so overrated, he didn't do this for the challenge but for the HUGE payday, and well, he struggled against a faded DLH.

I'm not gonna hate too much on Floyd here though. He's had some great performances in the past, like when he took apart Corrales or Gatti to name a few. He's a great boxer too, the most skilled and talented boxer in the game for years (but not the best fighter). I do not doubt that he loves the sport of boxing either, at least as long as he stays in his comfort zone and doesn't have to face bigger, stronger men than him, who might hurt him and where he might have to dig deep to win. Floyd loves boxing, but he doesn't love fighting. He's not old-school, and well this might just be ok for him and his fans. Nobody is old school these days anyways, with few exceptions.

But for being the supposedly P4P #1 fighter in the world, and without doubt the most skilled boxer in the world, he's letting boxing down. He's giving us 'nice' fights where he can shine, but he ain't giving us the classic fights we want to see, the outstanding performances, like the ones when Duran beat Barkley or Hearns beat Hill - however there are and have been enough opportunities around for Floyd to provide us with such a classic fight.

 

I will conclude that your point is that moving up in weight makes you an ATG. How about going from 130-154? A weight gap of 24 lbs Just asking.

 

He ignores the whole basis his criticism of Floyd is based on, because he needs to cling to something to justify his hatred.

 

Other than Marg who hadnt beat anyone of any real note exept when Clottey got injured and possibly, just possibly Williams after his quitana win at what point has any fight with the other welters made any sense considering two of them are known to have turned down possible fights.

You know why people are speaking of Pac v Mayweather because Pacs handled his business.

Marg beaten by Williams (Says he started too slowly)
Williams beaten Quintana (Didnt come prepared he said)
Cotto beaten by Marg (Plaster of Paris?)
Mosely beaten by Cooto

People need to point a finger at the Welters and say why are they not handling business.

This isnt about a +1 in the Loss column, far from it. Its about fighters not coming prepared every fight. Mayweather has done and recently Pac has sensationally handled business.

Personally I think the top welter contender is Cotto. His only loss is the Marg one and while he's had close encounters with Clottey and Mosley he done what was required. Think if Marg did use plaster against him, how things may have been so different.

 

here is the basic mayweather equation


fantastic boxer + coward = floyd mayweather

 

All this criticism is unwarranted though...he's beaten a lot of good/great fighters while moving divisions. He was considered the man at 130 and 135. He beat Hatton (albeit at 147), who was considered the man at 140. At the time, when he beat Baldomir, no doubt Baldomir was the champion. Also beating Oscar at 154 when Oscar was probably the best belt holder there.

He beats Mosley and Pacquiao, then he is the best of this generation.

 

True, he's no Sugar Ray Robinson for me. But he's very close to undisputedly being the best of this generation. And he's still handling business. I don't think many actually believed he would stay retired.

 

I agree with the fact that Mayweather is low 100 atg for the fact mentioned that he hasn't fought the best welterweights Mosely, Cotto, Williams (if he comes/can get back down). I don't know why he doesn't because I think he definetely beats mosely/cotto. Williams might be more tricky with the hieght but would fancy mayweathers skills and speed to tell. Thats the fight I want to see though. Don't know if williams has it in him to make that weight again though.