The difference between Mayweather and real ATG

Good post. I do have an ill feeling towards Mayweather because I feel for one reason or another he hasn't fully challenged himself.

But how do you think Cotto, Shane or Marg would have fared against the Floyd that fought Oscar or Hatton. I think any of those guys would have even shots at winning. Sure they've had off nights but they were fighting excellent PRIME fighters who were their own SIZE.

He still has the time and talent to really change peoples minds, but I think that road will have to be for him to clean out the welter division. Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Berto, Collazo, even a Williams somewhere. Pac is a great fight that I would love to see. But at the end of the day he is still a smaller man.

 

I give Floyd mad respect and props for taking on a 36 year old 130-135lb fighter moving up two divisions and coming in heavier than the agreed weight. He's a absolute warrior and should be respected.

On a serious note he'll never get the credit he's capable of getting as long as he fights smaller men, forget the "well he started at 130" crap, he's not been able to get below welterweight for several years now and has the perfect body frame to move up several weight classes and is now a natural 147lb fighter and has been for some time. Sadly there's no young established fighter in his weight class, but even the older guard he wont fight or will wait until there are clear signs of their skills erroding. I'd give him his dues if he moved up to 154/160 and took on a genuine belt holder or force in the division, other than stacking the deck in his favour time and time again... but he wont and will instead pick an older Mosely or a smaller Pacquiao. Mosely I know smashed Margarito, but he was made for Shane, the only surprise was the KO. Floyd would play it safe and pot shot to victory and do the same against the much smaller Pacquiao. He represents all that is wrong in boxing, so dont let his sack swingers fool you people.

Floyd has the best skills I have seen in my life, but he's not willing to put them up against a legit threat, so he will NEVER get the credit he is crying for. History will remember him as a cherry picker due to all the good fights he could have made.

 

SWell you can argue given that Oscar beat Whitaker in a UD and Floyd beat Hoya in SD.

Also you say elite welters. At this point those are who exactly.

Cotto and Mosley I guess which is two guys. One who people thought was on his way to retirement before beating the now tarnished Marg. Both of whom had/have scheduled fights.

Clottey isnt elite, Can Williams be called elite and is at 154 schedule to fight Pavlik and Marg is disgraced.


But yep he's scared to fight the Elite welters

 

But except Hatton and the Marquez fght which just happened in his 40th fight who are all these smaller fighters he's been picking on.

When you talk abou Pac, its fans that have been begging for that since the Hoya v Pac fight

 

Thank god you paid attention to the fact that I said casual boxing fan. Idiot.

 

EXACTLY....out of 40 fights two were smaller and Hatton fukkin walks around bigger than Floyd on any given day. FACT...Hatton would be fighting at Welter if he had the fukking skills to but he doesnt and there for remains at JW.....now people are quick to bring up our past ATG's but fail to realize that they did not have all these weight divisions like today so Today there are people who just sit in smaller divisions to prey on the smaller when they actually need to be moving up in weight but yet for some reason we give them a pass because there best weight is got damn one division lower....people are right our past ATG's are real fighters but i can only imagine what it would be like if these belts and divisions were around......shyt would change a great bit.

 

Are you kidding? Listen, I love watching Mayweather and I think he is the best boxer alive right now, but he isn't proving it by beating the right people. If Ali refused to fight any other greats because they lost a fight, his career would have been over in 71. Mayweather is very very good. The problem with him is that his excuses for not fighting the best guys in his era and division are completely obvious fabrications. I would like to draw up an analysis. If I played chess, and then you saw me dominate the #1 Jr high schooler and i'm the #1 guy in college, you would probably think I didn't prove ****, and that it was a waste of time. That was the marquez fight. Less risk than a fighter of his caliber should be taking on. If anyone ever just took their focus off of either boxer and looked into the ring as a whole, you saw a big guy beating up a small guy. It was sad. I'm not saying this because I think mayweather can't beat a mosley or a pacquiao, I believe he can, i'm just mad he's wasting his prime and his time on guys he already knows he will dominate. Who wants to watch Michael Jordan dunk on mugsy bogues? Not me.

 

I said smaller fighters and stacking the deck in his favour. The Hoya fight was massively impressive, he took on a ring ages and shot Oscar DeLaHoya at 154, that's what history will remember. The Marquez fight was a farce, not only making him come up in weight massively, but ignoring the catch weight and picking a ring big enough for track and fields events just on the off chance Marquez can get to him.

Also to the complete idiot that says Hatton walks around heavier than Floyd, well this is true, however he's not exactly "fighting fit" is he? If Hatton led the life of a dedicated boxer he'd have been a 130-135lb career fighter the way he can get weight off and on him.

Listen noobs, a "GREAT" fighter goes out of his comfort zone, that doesn't include going up 7lbs to beat a badly faded OLD former star who was never a natural 154lb fighter. Back in the good old days of boxing Floyd would have had to go to 160lbs, SRL did it with (imo) less outright skill and fought men at their natural weight in their prime. I simply dont see why Floyds cant do the same and until then he's simply not a top 50 or possibly even top 100 ATG and never will be.

 

Ok, you want to know what history will really remember DLH vs Mayweather as? Old de la hoya vs young prime mayweather.
Watch De La hoya vs Julio cesar chavez or Pernell whittaker, then watch DLH vs mayweather. The same De La Hoya who YEARS before tried to take on the middleweight champ. Come the **** on.
You know jack ****.

 

are you for real....hatton 130-135????? WOW....there is no way Hatton could maintain that...he would cause more detriment to his body then good...thats the dumbest shyt i have heard......you keep saying SRL went to 160...so you are saying Floyd all the way from 130- 135 should be going all the way up to 160? You do know where SRL started his career right?

 

Rate these fighters please Blade?

1. Manny Pac
2. Shane Mosley
3. Oscar DLH

 

Oscar fought at 130 too!!!! :rofl:rofl:rofl

But in Mayweather's defense he moved from 130-147 to fight a Feather Weight, JMM (17 pounds). :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

DLH didn't constantly compare himself favorably to the likes of SRL, SRR or Ali though did he? You clearly lack the intelligence to see the point I am making, which is that Mayweather has more skills than most boxers of any era, yet plays things safe, stacks the deck in his favour then actually cries about not getting the credit he thinks he deserves. My opinion mirrors that of 95% of boxing writers, which is I recognise the skills, but to be an ATG you need heart and to test yourself. Leonard, Hears, Duran who you might be old enough to remember went out of their comfort zones to fight REAL competition and are recognised ATG's for this very reason. Floyd is not and will never be as long as he continues to cherry pick the easiest route to a big pay day. Him and his ignorant fans (yes I include you here) are what is wrong with boxing.

Maybe not now, but had he led the life of a professional boxer and not pro drinker I see no reason why he could not have fought lighter considering how easy he cuts weight. We will never really know.

You miss the point, SRL was a legit welterweight, Floyd is now a legit welter and has been for some time. Simple fact is that if he wants to be remembered in the same way then he'll have to challenge himself by taking on a legit threat at 147, 154 or 160, that's what greatness is all about. The reason he's not fighting below 147 is because his body wont allow it.

 

One of his examples was Viatly? the peter fight was what last fall.. yeah thats the past alright:rofl