The difference between pain and exhaustion and one is a million times worse!!

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  1. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Pain doesn't make these warriors quit

    Exhaustion is worse than pain, it cripples you into a worthless pile of crap incapable of doing anything BUT catching an a 100% certainty of an ass wiping and a KO loss. Exhaustion takes your soul away, steals your body and leaves your mind in a place that it doesn't want to be.

    Boxers train with pain, spar with pain and fight with pain. Pain is not a problem for them, even less of a problem when you're in a real fight and your adrenalin is really hardcore kicking.

    Doesn't matter how amped you are, when you're exhausted and your body just hits the wall, and its a foregone ****ing conclusion your ass is dead, and you WILL get KO'd.


    See what was bad with Cotto wasn't the cuts, it wasn't the blood pouring out of his head...His lungs were giving out he was breathing out of his mouth for the last few rounds he was getting beat on and he was getting hit in the chin in the process. Cotto never had that kind of 12 round full intensity stamina, he WAS exhausted.


    Cotto didn't quit because of the pain, The fight was stopped because he had absolutely NOTHING left in his tank, everyone knew what the future was going to bring us and that was a brutal KO - Cotto was exhausted, if you want any fighter to fight when they're exhausted, then you aren't a fan of the sport of boxing.... you're just a fan of some freak show where people end up in comas for a month with extreme brain damage and receiving emergency brain surgery. Is that what we want for Pro Boxers?

    To watch 1 more round? For what? Sacrifice 1 more round of permanent damage on a fighter for our pleasures? How many future rounds do rounds like this cost boxers and we never seem to learn from it? One thing is for sure, Cotto's trainer knew what the truth was and he did the right thing in getting his fighter out of there.
     
  2. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I disagree strongly.

    His nose was broken from the second round on, btw. And he was bleeding inside his mouth by the 8th. And he had a cut over his eye from an uppercut sometime before the 5th.

    His body had taken a serious beating as well. The man was just mauled, in plain terms.

    But I do agree there was no point in going on. He was down on the cards and facing a brutal knockout. No point.
     
  3. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree but most dont know that or are just to ignorant to boxing and the way the human body works.
     
  4. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    It could have been broken in the 2nd but he didn't have any effect on him till the 6th where he ate a MASSIVE uppercut right on the bridge of his nose. He wasn't lossing the fight from the 2nd round on, he was winning quite convincingly until the 6th where things got interesting.

    He did not stop because he was in pain, the physical damage recieved on Cotto isn't what was throwing him off, a fighter could careless what amount of blood or cuts he has on his body, or the pain on his nose. All that is secondary in a fight trust me, BUT these are obviously the mechanisms that takes a fighter and gets him where it TRULEY hurts and its his metabolic energy, Cotto had none.

    The intensity of the fight, The shots to the chin that **** your equilibrium and his exhaustion = He couldn't fight no more.

    He was hardcore spent, if he wasn't he would have kept fighting..He was Dazed from hard shots no doubt about that. But it was a perfect combination of a shot equilibrium and extreme exhaustion... That = Destruction. When you're in that state its not a matter of "quiting" its a matter of being smart and living to see another day.
     
  5. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    Good thread Jex. When he got up after the first time he was extremely fatigued (and obviously beaten up). Bottom line is that Cotto gave it everything he had. People that cannot see or admit this either are idiots or have never been in the ring before
     
  6. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good If you rewatch the fight I think rd 7 or 8 after the bells rings for that rd you see cotto leaning over both arms on the rope waiting for his corner to bring in the stool
     
  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    perfect example of this is the De La Hoya vs Trinidad fight, De la Hoya was schooling Trinidad for 7-8 rounds for as long as his stamina lasted. Trinidad was never able to inflict the damage that Margarito did on Cotto to instigate a KO win. But the fact is that DLH's energy was gone and he just about lost 9-12, When a fighter goes from winning every round like that to losing rounds Consecutively nothing is wrong with their strategy, its not because they're in pain...They're exhausted and incapable of p e r f o r m i n g.

    In Cotto's case he got 2 treatments, Shots to the chin that messed up his equilibrium and his stamina was 100% gone. By the end of the fight his equilibrium was very gone. Put it this way, if he wasn't exhausted and he just had a few cuts and was coming in and out of being dazed then I am pretty sure he would have continued.

    But he Didn't continue not because he didn't want to, but because he Couldn't! His BODY said stay the **** down, not his mind. When you're in that state the body controls the mind and the fight is over.

    Margarito brutalized Miguel Cotto very badly and he did so to the point to drive Cotto to sheer exhaustion AND damage to his senses. It was an ass beating, There was NO quitting involved.
     
  8. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    exactly Boxers don't quit because of pain.

    The driving force behind a KO (Other than being KTFO with a 1 shot), is usually a combination of exhaustion and lack of senses.

    Let me ask you this, Is Jose Luis Castillo a quitter for going down after Ricky Hatton landed that left hook and shattered his rib cage?

    The state of a boxers body AFTER 1 well placed body shot is the equivalent of fighting an Entire fight. So do you blame Castillo for staying down? He probably said I should keep fighting!...But his body said stay the **** down *****!

    Ricky Hatton said it best...He said something like "If castillo woulda gotten up from that body shot, I would have ran out the ring!"