The difference between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe

Amazing. Apparently, Pacfan now thinks that Hatton's win over an inactive KT who would retire after that bout, is better than Calzaghe moving up in weight, fighting in America for the first time, against a future HoF'er, ATG, legend, and the most crucial argument in ALL of Pacfan's arguments, he was ranked P4P no.3. Hopkins would go on to demolish Americas biggest new star. Yet Pacfan thinks Hatton's win over KT is better.


BTW, Pacfan, why do you put so much stock in the rankings? You harp on about p4p rankings everytime as if they mean a damn thing. Here's a word for you. Subjective.


BTW, Calzaghe would never of got a fight with Jones. Jones and Hopkins couldn't agree to a rematch and DM couldn't get a fight with Jones. Yet you think Calzaghe could of? So Calzaghe goes up to 175 and batters DM, calls out Jones and you think Jones would accept. Where's the difference between a Welsh boxer holding the WBO 175 strap and a Pole/German, in Jones' eyes?

 

Yes this talk of Calzaghe avoiding Roy is a non issue. They were both going in different directions in all honesty and Roy was just as much a 'homeboy' as Calzaghe. Roy actually turned down a tremendous offer to fight Steve Collins in Dublin and instead fought Tony Thornton in his hometown of Pensacola. He aslo rejected a very serious offer to fight Dariusz Michalczewski out of hand by again staying close to home and fighting Glen Kelly in Miami. Michalczewski-Jones was all set for New York if Roy had put pen to paper and HBO were none too pleased to be heading to Miami instead. So like you say Calzaghe had even less chance at that time if the clear top 2 light heavies couldn't get it together

 

Seriously, I never knew that DM - Jones was that close to fruition. Have you got any further details about that? A source would also be awesome.

 

It didn't really get that close as Roy never intended to sign for it. He actually gave an interview on HBO saying he was never going to fight DM as he didn't deem him worthy. But from a HBO standpoint they had the formalities in place as DM had told them he was willing to fight in the States, and the preliminary financial arrangements were satisfactory to the DM camp. It's fair to say Roy would have picked up more than he did for the Kelly fight but when it came to the nitty gritty of smoothing out a deal there was nobody for HBO and DM's camp to talk to as Roy was refusing the fight point blank. So it wasn't really a case of a dispute over money or location, it was a case of one fighter not entertaining the thought of the fight at all. This is sort of known in the industry. I'm not sure exactly what is documented on the net - most stuff seems to get out there these days though!

 

Clinton Woods.

 

Thanks for the insight mate, I'm well aware that some of the fans that have only recently picked up the sport look at things very much in black and white, and simply see Jones as superman Roy beyond reproach, but when I first start browsing these forums, Jones was called a ducker and a cherry picker which I felt at the time was a bit harsh given his competition....of course avoiding the DM fight is a terrible crime, on a par with Ottkes blatant ducking of Calzaghe.

Still, Jones was a great fighter. His standing could have improved even more so had he beat up DM who was also a very, very god fighter himself.

 

Thanks for the insight mate, I'm well aware that some of the fans that have only recently picked up the sport look at things very much in black and white, and simply see Jones as superman Roy beyond reproach, but when I first start browsing these forums, Jones was called a ducker and a cherry picker which I felt at the time was a bit harsh given his competition....of course avoiding the DM fight is a terrible crime, on a par with Ottkes blatant ducking of Calzaghe.

Still, Jones was a great fighter. His standing could have improved even more so had he beat up DM who was also a very, very god fighter himself.

 

Thanks for the insight mate, I'm well aware that some of the fans that have only recently picked up the sport look at things very much in black and white, and simply see Jones as superman Roy beyond reproach, but when I first start browsing these forums, Jones was called a ducker and a cherry picker which I felt at the time was a bit harsh given his competition....of course avoiding the DM fight is a terrible crime, on a par with Ottkes blatant ducking of Calzaghe.

Still, Jones was a great fighter. His standing could have improved even more so had he beat up DM who was also a very, very god fighter himself.

 

Did you just say that Clinton Woods was as good as ****ing DM :rofl

 

Absolutely. I've always loved watching Roy and after all he was the 'Man' back then and so it could be argued that he had the right to decide who he wanted to fight.

 

I can't take no more, seriously, you Calzaghe fan maniacs... drive me barmy. :-D

 

Calzaghe is a great fighter and Hatton is not.

 

As you all know I have my own interests in the 140-147 divisions but one thing I have to say about Ricky Hatton is that not only is he a great lad but he genuinely took a stab at true greatness by taking on the PBF the pound for pound best of this era around his peak years. PBF outclassed and stopped him like I predicted however Hatton took him on. As for Calzaghe I look back I don't really feel he took on the very best at their peak that is just a fact. I don't say this to slam Calzaghe. I just think that this is a point to factor in when we assess the merits of both fighters.

It will be interesting to see how Hatton does tomorrow. Some of us think his time might have come and Malignaggi will defeat him. Personally I hope I am wrong as if truth be told I cannot help liking the guy. The only time I felt he let himself down was in the build up to the PBF fight when he went out of character and started behaving out of persona like a camera gangster which made me realise the pressure and fear of defeat had got to him. I think he finally realised in PBF that he was facing not only a more gifted fighter but a master blaster. Some people forgot going in that PBF was actually a much better puncher than Hatton, basically better at everything inside outside, side to side etc. In fact if the truth be known Hatton was ready made to order as no Mexican style/Mexican pressure fighter type can beat PBF. This includes Margarito who is actually less skilled than Hatton. The difference between PBF and Cotto is PBF would totally outclass Margarito and stop him.