The difference between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Nov 19, 2008.


  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    They announced Hatton as the IBO champion on his show, didn't think that was much to be proud of really!
     
  2. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Your position is that the WBO title was a 'major recognised world title' at the time Calzaghe was defending it for a decade?
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    **** me, this place is getting worse. Am I seriously being badgered over saying the WBU title is not a real title? Of course it ****ing isn't. I'm bored of this ****, either reply on the thread-subject or get to ****.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I don't consider the WBO a world title myself, full stop.

    But some of the opponents Joe was beating WERE world class - guys like Reid, Woodhall and a few others.

    I suppose Hatton's WBU reign had some world class opponents in, but less % than Calzaghe's, IMO.

    I would suggest that the calibre of opponent each have faced since Jan. 05 would rest in Hatton's favour.
     
  5. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Your argument seems to hinge on the fact that you believe that the WBO title at the time held by Calzaghe was a 'legitimate world title' but the WBU title at the time held by Hatton was not.

    Just trying to confirm my understanding of a point directly relevent to your opening argument.
     
  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    This seems far more relevant to me than what letters were on the front of the belts that both were defending at the time and claiming as 'world titles'.
     
  7. Diablo

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    Its true Calzaghe could have moved up to light-heavy to increase his chances of getting a shot at Roy Jones. But would that have helped? as he was a complete unknown in America until he beat Jeff Lacy.

    He could have made the jump at anytime from Super-middleweight. Calzaghe was calling people out names as far back as 2000 (Jones included) but nobody was listening...

    Was Jones really seeking out challenges during that period? Seemed to me he was pissing around waiting for an easy Heavyweight title holder he could school and "make history"

    Only way Joe could have made that fight was if he ditched his SMW belt and became Roys mandatory.
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    The differences between Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton are very simple.

    One is skilled, the other is not.

    One has a superior resume and achievements.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    You are doggedly attempting to protect your Joe, but as usual it has the appearance of desperate and tenuous clutches for excuses.

    In the 1990s, Marco Antonio Barrera, Riddick Bowe, Oscar De La Hoya, Naseem Hamed, Ricardo Lopez, Johnny Tapia, Winky Wright, Gerald McClennan, Steve Collins, Chris Eubank, and Dariusz Michalczewski all held WBO titles in their respective weight classes for prolonged periods. There's probably more that I can't remember. That settles that.

    In 2004, Bernard Hopkins was rightfully showered with adulation for being the first man to hold the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO titles, ie the first true undisputed champion since the 1980s.

    Roy Jones Jr is denied the recognition of being undisputed world champion at light-heavyweight because he never won the WBO title, despite simultaneously holding the WBC, WBA and IBF, and several more 'world' trinkets.

    Try and defend Joe in another less obvious and more successful way, if you really have to refuse to accept any sort of criticism of him whatsoever.
     
  10. 9Ball

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    Hater :good
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    Totally avoiding the thread-subject.
     
  12. TFFP

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    I was just giving you two straight up facts. There are numerous differences of course, Calzaghe is an Italian stallion Hatton has a face like my grans ass.

    Calzaghe sounds as eloquent as Charles Dickens next to Hatton.

    So many differences!
     
  13. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    As above, although I attach some importance to title, quality of opposition far more relevant than the letters on the front of whatever belt the fighter is hawking at the time.

    If, in 2001, instead of beating Tony Pep for the vacant WBU title, Hatton had instead beaten Felix Flores for the vacant WBO title, but the rest of his career remained the same, that wouldn't affect how I eveluate his record at all. Likewise, if Calzaghe had happened to pick up the WBU rather than WBO belt, that wouldn't cause me to see his career more positively.

    It seems a bizzare argument that it should.
     
  14. DINAMITA

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    Yawn. As if you would be making this argument if the man in question was anyone else in the world other than your Joe!! :lol:

    The opposition in Joe's world title reign was largely diabolical from 1997-2006, and from 1997-2004 he could have pushed the boat out to get Jones. He didn't.

    Hatton won a world title in 2005 and rather than spend 9 years fighting a mixture of mediocre and decent opposition, he chased greatness right away.

    Keep kidding yourself.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    Read the start of the thread. This thread is about none of these hilarious issues.