The difference between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Nov 19, 2008.


  1. cityofgod

    cityofgod Worcester warrior Full Member

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    .and to say Calzaghe is more eloquent that Ricky? LOL

    Joe has the personality of a un-painted Garden gnome.

    Thats why Hatton is still taking 7,000 over to Vegas which is double what went to the MSG for Calz.
     
  2. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have to factor in that Hatton's WBU "reign" that people keep talking about was in fact his learning curve. Nobody took him seriously as a world champ, it was just a cheap title label for Warren to stick on his main event. Hatton in those days was still in his early-mid twenties and working his way up the ladder.

    This thread shows what;s wrong with boxing these days, people are willing to defend fighters sticking in the comfort zone and believing the "0" is paramount over daring to stick your neck out and shoot for greatness. Not necessarily any criticism of Calzaghe, but nobody should be having a go at Hatton for daring to go for the Mayweather fight!
     
  3. TFFP

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    He isn't being criticised for it.

    He simply proved that he's nothing more than a world class fighter. He couldn't compete with Mayweather, infact he competed far less than previous supposedly easier opponents.

    He looked for all the world like a fighter that caught Tszyu at the right time and has been living off it ever since.

    Fair play for stepping up, but he gets nothing more than a pat on the back for that. It hardly enhances him greatly.
     
  4. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    You may get some stick for this post, but I think its top class. :good
     
  5. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    bear in mind hatton won that title in his 40th something fight, calzaghe in his 21st. and according to hattont the wbu and ibo titles are world titles.
     
  6. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a pile of garbage for one thing. Nothing more than a world class fighter? He is the division #1, has been for three years and was on the p4p list at one point. To say he couldn't compete with Mayweather shows that you are probably basing your view on seeing highlights of the last 3 rounds or maybe even Boxrec. He competed just fine for the first 7 rounds. Fair play to Mayweather, he took over, won the fight and showed why he's a modern great. But a fight ending in a stoppage does not mean that it is not competitive - if it did then I guess Julian Jackson was on a different level to Herol Graham. Very few opponents have given Mayweather more trouble, I can only think of Castillo, DLH and (maybe) Judah. Mayweather himself confessed he was seriously worried around the halfway mark.

    To try and use this fight, at his opponent's weight, for his title, on his turf, with his referee, to downplay Hatton's win over Tszyu is ridiculous. As for living off it ever since, well, if wins over Maussa (reigning champ, Ring top 5, just knocked out Harris), Collazo (top 10 welter at short notice), Urango (current Ring top 10), Castillo (Ring #1 contender, p4p #8) and Lazcano (current Ring top 10) in addition to stepping up to the greatest challenge of all are living off it then I guess most current fighters are the same as there ain't many who've taken more top 10 fighters in the same time frame.

    No the fight doesn't enhance him. But by the same time nor should it detract from him by comparison to someone like Calzaghe who never took the chance and stepped up (not that this is a dig at Joe he is a great fighter in his own right). That was my point and yet it seems to have been used to have the usual none so subtle array of digs at Hatton. Boring, but then again you get used to it on these boards.
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    Appreciated mate. The truth often hurts for some! :good
     
  8. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The main difference between them is that Joe Calzaghe is a far superior boxer and that's all that matters really.
     
  9. TFFP

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    He is nothing more than a world class fighter. What do you think he is, elite? Nothing he has done in the ring would suggest that. That's not really a slight on him, there aren't many elite fighters. He had that one good win over Tszyu just like Vince Phillips, and he never really built on it. He beat a few mediocre guys like Urango and Maussa, old ass Castillo, and he didn't really massively impress in doing so. Infact it was really boring.

    Being #1 at 140lbs means **** in terms of being elite. There is no depth in the weight class, and Hatton never even fought guys like Judah and Cotto at 140 which might have given him a case. Junior Witter got to #2 in this weight for christ sake, and you will continually excuse Hatton never having fought him, thats how much the weight class means to you yourself and you expect me to take that seriously!

    And no, Hatton was not competetive. You need to watch the fight again and take your British goggles off for a second. Hatton bullrushed him and hit nothing. Mayweather even beat him inside where Hatton was supposed to win the fight. Then he knocked him out from the outside, after a sustained beating. He might have sneaked a few rounds, but there was always a sense of inevitability and danger about it once the pace slowed.
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    Completely avoiding the issue at hand. Very transparent, typically protective. The denial continues...
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    - Hatton's win over Tszyu is better than anything on Calzaghe's resume.

    - What happened to Hatton v Mayweather would have happened to Calzaghe v Jones had Joe showed a similar desire to fight the best.

    - Had Hatton stayed at home winning routine defences ever since the Tszyu fight in '05, maybe you would then think he was 'elite' too.
     
  12. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No it's a fact.

    This is yet another thread full of points aimed at discrediting Joe Calzaghe.

    You fail to mention for example how he has the superior resume, the better accomplishments and is the superior boxer in every department.

    And I just read that Hatton's win over a past it Tszyu is better than anything on Joe's resume when the win over a prime Mikel Kessler certainly beats it.
     
  13. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe didn't win a world title until he beat Lacy.Unless you count WBO titles.
     
  14. TFFP

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    The other difference between Calzaghe and Hatton is that Calzaghe took on dangerous young fighters which are considered 50/50 fights at the time like Kessler and Lacy. Hatton never ever did so, infact he avoided Witter, he never risked upsetting his applecart in a fight like that for fear of not getting his huge payday against Mayweather.
     
  15. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very good point and another with Pacfan conveniantly forgot to mention.