The difference between Wilder and Joshua

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  1. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Joshua - Trying to fight Klitschko in his 17th fight, fighting Molina for his 17th fight.

    Wilder - Fighting Jason Gavern in his 33rd fight, fighting Molina in his 35th fight.


    Discuss?
     
  2. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True but despite what we all think about Wilder I always go off what the opposition thinks and nobody is in a hurry to fight him are they?

    I'm a fan of AJ but he still need rounds and currently nobody has given him past seven?
     
  3. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    povetkin was mad to fight him, few years ago tony thompson was mad to fight him, chisora was mad to fight him but wilder suddenly had visa issues yet turned up in the uk to spar haye, thats off the top of my head
     
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  4. Bad News Brit

    Bad News Brit Active Member banned Full Member

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    Yep.

    Wilder will take the weakest available fighter the sanctioning body will allow. Joshua will take the strongest.
     
  5. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is a laundry list of reasons why Joshua is better than Wilder. I can post it if you want lol
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    So why is he fighting Molina instead of Louis Ortiz?
     
  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Joshua has been on the world stage since his debut 17 fights ago.

    Wilder only got his Showtime deal 12 fights ago when he fought Kelvin Price.

    He was a nobody before that . Nobody knew who he was. He was learning his trade on the club circuit alongside loads of others like him who will never make it .
    He wasn't in the public eye , so why begrudge him for moving up the ranks out of nothingness to become a contender and then a title holder?
     
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  8. thornpipe

    thornpipe Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder didn't go past 7 until his 33rd fight
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    In the UK, fighters tend to get stepped up and matched tougher, particularly at HW.
    Consider...

    In T Furys first 15 fights he fought McDermott twice, Ellis, Belshaw, undefeated Power, undefeated Nascimento, undefeated Chisora. Now in 25 fights he has fought Rogan, Chisora again, Cunningham, K Johnson and W Klitschko

    In D Chisoras first 15 fights he fought undefeated Sexton twice, D Williams, undefeated T Fury. In 19 fights he went on to face undefeated Helenius, Haye, V Klitschko. By the time he had fought 25 times he had then gone on and faced Johnson, Gerber, undefeated Scott, T Fury again

    In A Joshuas first 17 fights he has fought undefeated champ Martin, undefeated Breazeale, undefeated Whyte, undefeated Cornish, K Johnson, M Sprott, Skelton

    D Haye cleaned up at CW and went to HW and in that time at HW before his 3 years out of the ring fought Chisora, W Klitschko, Barrett and Valuev

    Several of these fights were also away



    I have thought before that often when fighters are having such tough fights before fighting for titles, that they could be faded and then could possibly get beaten by fighters without as much wear and tear.

    If you look at how I have rated the current British top 5
    Fury
    Joshua
    Haye
    Chisora
    Whyte

    I think it is debateable that Wilder has beaten anyone as good as that British top 5 at the time when he fought them

    With the names listed above and considering the other talented British HWs like H Fury, D Price etc. Britains HW division is very talented when you consider that the UK doesnt have 40 HWs and the USA have over 350 and its debateable whether Wilder the top USA HW would be in the British top 3
     
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  10. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Post them.
     
  11. daverobin

    daverobin Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    look at thier legs and get back to me with the differance
     
  12. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Great post!
     
  13. LordSouness

    LordSouness Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Molina is clearly not the best fight available to him. Pulev was available, why not fight him if that was the case? Haye? Even Duhaupas.
     
  14. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Pulev turned down 3 big offers to fight AJ, he didn't want the fight he said that he wanted to defend his EU belt. In fact there was a video posted about this like two days ago.

    Haye is not ranked by the IBF. Molina and Duhaupas are the same thing.
     
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  15. LordSouness

    LordSouness Boxing Addict Full Member

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    David Haye is ranked third by the IBF.