The difference between Wilder and Joshua

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  1. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    He's fighting Wilder's cherry picked leftovers as a champion, isn't he? What does that say? If Wlad has some real injury then the pastry chef and Polish Pin must be up next with the shot to bits Nightmare on standby. Wilder>Femi.
     
  2. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I just checked he is indeed ranked 3rd, it's the WBC he's not ranked by and I thought it was that.

    The point was that Haye has done nothing to even remotely come close to a title shot. At least Molina is coming off a decent win.
     
  3. LordSouness

    LordSouness Boxing Addict Full Member

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    David Haye could have fought bin-men for the past 10 years and he'd still be a tougher fight than Molina.
     
  4. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :sisi1You gents be making a lot of noise about those average to slightly above average fighters in the UK. The best fighter over there by far is Degale, then Joshua. Frampton don't count because he is Irish. Fury is a bum, Haye is truly a bum. Chisora and the rest of them gents are just fodder. Canelo is knocking off as many as he can because he knows candy when he sees it. GGG even got in on the act and started knocking out eye sockets. Ain't no real weight in the UK. Get a grip. The toughest man in the UK by far is James Bond and I'll testify to that.:sisi1
     
  5. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Follow boxing and maybe you would stop being the dumbest guy...lol
     
  6. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why not just answer the question instead of laughing it off?
     
  7. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Because anyone who knows that ANSWER WOULDNT ASK IT WOULD THEY? Im pretty sure dino doesn't have much if any credibility on here based on what ive seen,so whats the confusion ?
     
  8. N17

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    Pulev turned the fight down twice I believe but I will agree with you on Duhaupas, I would have preferred to see that. I think Duhaupas was about the best and most realistic option.

    Haye Vs Joshua is a huge fight here in the U.K. and would/will be a summer stadium fight, they wouldn't do that in 6-7-8 weeks they would want 3 months plus.

    On Sky they would want to do a 24/7 type series, The Gloves are off face off and all sorts of little spin offs, they would want to milk that for everything and they just didn't have enough time.
     
  9. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    On the subject of Wilder and Joshua, they are both rather unproven.

    Both have been shaken up and have had their chins questioned and both have not fought what anybody would regard as a genuine top heavyweight.

    Yes Wilder has had more fights, a lot more but does anybody believe Joshua is about to fight any of the top heavyweights anytime soon?

    I have a feeling we are watching Joshua do what Kell Brook did when he won the IBF title, we will hear big name after big name being dropped in interviews on IFL by Hearn and then Joshua will end up fighting another very poor mandatory after another poor mandatory because "we tried to get a big name but couldn't get any over the line". We've just seen it with Klitschko.

    We have seen it all before and I have my doubts that Hearn and Sky want to risk the huge money they are raking in from loyal boxing fans by fighting a genuine threat.

    Wilder the same, why will they risk a making easy?
     
  10. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    I don't see that much difference really other than the fact that Joshua is obviously roiding his head off while Wilder still leaves room for doubt.

    Other than that, they're both hyped up paper champs taking on weak touches to hide the fact that they're likely not as good as advertised or are petrified of derailing their own personal gravy trains. Wilder's had more fights, which makes him marginally the less impressive fighter considering their resumes aren't that far apart in quality, but Joshua's run hardly deserves much talking about either.

    And Wilder has at least beaten a bonafide top ten fighter in Stiverne, something which Joshua has yet to do (unless you count Martin, which I hope no one does).
     
  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Whats the answer? Answer it or YDKSAB. Don't let yourself down by responding with insults.
    Whats the answer?
     
  12. LordSouness

    LordSouness Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same could be said for Wlad though and they were going to do that. Even still, my point wasn't to be overly critical - just to take exception with the initial point. I think all boxers are guilty of not fighting the best available at times though.
     
  13. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The answer is YDKSAB ....lol
     
  14. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    But you look like a clown anyway.
     
  15. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    There are two, equally valid ways to evaluate the two fighters matchmaking. First is from the perspective of the legitimacy of their championship, and from that perspective Wilder has done more. Stiverne was a much more proven opponent than Martin, who may have been the worst world champ ever. Then 4 consecutive defenses against fringe contenders who were not top 10, which is shameful, but to be fair he did try to fight a top 5hw in Povetkin. Meanwhile Joshua will have faced 2 consecutive fringe contenders, though he did try to face Wlad. Overall, Duhaupas and Stiverne are much better than anyone Joshua has faced in title fights, so slight advantage Wilder, although really both should be ashamed. The second way of looking at their matchmaking is aggressiveness in overall career, and here Joshua clearly comes out on top. Joshua was facing top journeymen like Sprott less than a year after he debuted while it took Wilder about three or four. Then facing fringe contenders a year and a half after debuting while Wilder waited 5 years. So Wilder slightly better title fights that reflect badly on both, and Joshua vastly more aggressive overall career that, taking the fact that he has a title out of it, would otherwise reflect well on him for very aggressive matchmaking and poorly on Wilder for very slow, cautious matchmaking.