The diifference between an iron chin anaverage chin can be two punches.

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Boxing is all about perception. There were high valued posters believing Holyfield had a chance to regain a title when he fought Ibragimov. Then he got shut out and he was shot.
    Then he fights Valuev, people think he won, and he was still pretty good.
     
  2. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Indeed.

    The classic forum should not be like the boxing riff-raff though. We should use reason, occasionally.
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis was also decked by Henry Akinwande in their fight, although it was not picked up by Lane...

    Lewis had a fair chin, all Heavyweights are going to caught, and when two men both weighing 200lbs are trying to knock each other out, accidents always happened.

    People go on about McCall never being down as a pro, but by his own admission Tyson has decked him at least five times in sparring. In the same way that it is common knowledge Lamon Brewster flattned Lewis in sparring...

    Lewis' chin was good enough for him to win THE Heavyweight Championship of the World twice, and be able to say that every fighter who he ever fought as a pro, he beat.

    No one else in Queensberry Rules can say that about themselves...
     
  4. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I understand your point but thats part of the what ifs that we always discuss on these boards. What if this guy punched harder, what if these guys boxed more?
    Theres more to it with Lewis, not only was he knocked out twice, but he was wobbled and hurt on several occasions, his chin was not grade A.
     
  5. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Yes, I remember, though I don't think anyone thought it was significant.

    And I am proposing that this "accident" happened in sparring. In this scenario Lewis did not get caught, or if he did the punch hit him on part of the head was was not vulnerable.
    I did not know this. Still, interesting about McCall. Fits in nicely with my point.

    No doubt.
     
  6. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    You clearly don't understand at the fundamental level.

    Who would be drawing attention to him getting wobbled if he was never KOED? Some weirdo with too much time on his hands, maybe (even that is a push).

    Now do you get it?
     
  7. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did? Usually I've heard him boast that Tyson never knocked him down.

    Oliver McCall: “I guess I sparred more than 300 rounds with Tyson and he never knocked me down once. But I put him down once. We had a hell of a battle every time. That’s why he paid me $2,000 a week.”
     
  8. lefthook31

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    He was also dropped by Zeljko Mavrovic and it wasnt counted.
     
  9. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    If he are having trouble remembering it now, it would be even more irrelevant in my scenario.

    See my direct response to you above.

    This is not about Lewis' chin.

    It is about perception.
     
  10. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    In fact, that goes for everyone.

    This is not a thread about Lewis' chin.

    Too many knee jerk reactions sometimes.
     
  11. TBooze

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    I will try and find the quote (source), but the gist was, it was about "5 all" in knockdowns between them.
     
  12. lefthook31

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    WHat do you think of FLoyd Mayweather Jr's chin?
     
  13. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Nothing, to be honest.

    I think it is as good as he has ever needed it to be.
     
  14. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    When you wrote above:

    It really depends how closely you follow the sport. If you do watch a fighter closely you would know that Mayweather has been hit and wobbled badly three times in his career, suggesting to me with all his defensive wizardry, that his chin is not great, but decent. Good enough to get him through those dangerous spots but I would guess he could be knocked out if he was hit like Lewis was comparably speaking. I dont think that really makes me a weirdo, just someone who looks at the sport a little closer. If you asked a casual boxing fan what they thought of Lennox Lewis chin, they wouldn't even have a clue.