The distorted legacy of Manny Pacquiao

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dizzle, Sep 20, 2010.


  1. turk182

    turk182 not newbie Full Member

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    he has more lineal championships than anyone else too... which probably means that he should also have more alphabet belts than anyone else since he's fighting the top guys who may also hold alphabet belts for those lineal championships.
     
  2. REEVO

    REEVO Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I look at what weight he started at and where he is now, it is incredible, and to beat some of the welterweights like he has is even more impressive, to beat them by points fair enough but to stop them in there tracks by KO, can you fault. I take on what your saying about the weights and catchment weights ETC, fair enough. Some all time greats didnt have that advantage.. :good
     
  3. RSBonos

    RSBonos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even as a big Pac fan, I don't consider him a 7 time world champion because I ignore all the sanctioning bodies.

    I think the best way to evaluate Pac is to look at his opponents, and he has fought world class fighters throughout his career and he is a legitimate 4 time lineal champion.
     
  4. Dizzle

    Dizzle Active Member Full Member

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    I respect his opponent list. If you read what I put then you would see that its the way he has manipulated the system to create an image that on paper would have him on top of the ATG pedestal. Also comparing his win over ODLH to Mayweathers holds as much water as comparing Mayweather win over Marquez to Pacquiaos.

    Also that last sentence you wrote makes you look really stupid.
     
  5. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I only agree with you on DLH. I underestimated the weight drop and thought Oscar would still be too big for him. However, I thought Hatton and Cotto (catch-weight) were cherry-picked all the way. Obviously the same goes for Margo. There are afew more too but they are not significant fights for his legacy and not worth mentioning.

    That being said, these are only a few fights from a long and incredibly impressive resume. Pac has proved his greatness in my mind.
     
  6. Dizzle

    Dizzle Active Member Full Member

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    But he's fighting for the 154 title so it should be at 154.
     
  7. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    you could say the same about everyone. Pac is the best boxer of his generation and his legacy is not distorted, it's a reflexion of that.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Yeah, I was imitating those exact same idiots. :lol: :yep
     
  9. empiricix

    empiricix Active Member Full Member

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    A boxing legacy isn't something that a boxer or his team can easily manipulate or distort. It has to be built-up fight by fight. And in each fight, regardless of the skill of matchmaking, or cherry-picking if you will, the boxer still needs to win convincingly in order to add to his growing legacy.

    If what Pac and his team did in 'marketing' or 'manipulating' his legacy was so easy, then how come there aren't as many 7-division titleholders even in this era of alphabet belts? How many times have we seen hyped-up boxers who were exposed in fights that they were supposed to easily dominate? How many good boxers never became great? And how many great boxers never became ATG?

    Finally, manipulating a legacy is not as easy as you say it is simply because most of the boxing public are not as stupid as some people think. They will crown you P4P, FOTD and ATG only if you give them concrete reasons to. And in Pacquaio's case, he has given more than enough reasons to deserve these accolades.
     
  10. REEVO

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    My last word on this is that Pac is a all time great and who are we to pick holes in his legacy, and what a shame we will never see the fight everyone is dyeing to see caz apparantly another all time great wont take the fight due to his own greed . I know who the true warrior is in the welterweights and he doesnt dodge fights either.
     
  11. REEVO

    REEVO Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good spot on
     
  12. gerry

    gerry Tirador Full Member

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    :good


    I agree, and finally manny is become more impressive when facing Paul Williams after Margo.:deal
     
  13. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No he is not.
     
  14. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pacquiao is as legit a 7 division world champ as Hearns and Leonard are 5 division champs.

    You use them as an example saying they'd win titles up to heavyweight in today's boxing climate, when it was the same back when they were boxing, and probably worse.

    Both of them won their share of weak titles, **** Leonard got two in one night against Lalonde. Then you go to today's 5 division champs Mayweather and De La Hoya and you get much the same thing. You question Pacquiao's titles, you question those guys aswell.

    Obviously you can't compare it to Robinson and Armstrong as they only had one champ back then. The aphabet multiple division champs are the ones you can compare him to and Pac title list is as strong, if not stronger than all of them. And he's by far the smallest out of all of them too.
     
  15. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    hands down, he is.