the douglas that kod tyson vs foreman

Depends on which Foreman. Douglas UD over Big George of the 90s, 74 Foreman late ko on Douglas while being down on points, and Douglas UD over the Foreman that fought Jimmy Young.

 

I agree....Douglas on the night he beat Tyson was too mobile, too quick, and too skilled for a comebacking Foreman. A big guy who could move well and who had a good left jab and who could throw combinations would beat any version of 1990's George Foreman. The fight would probably be as lopsided as Foreman's fight with Holyfield.

 

I entirely agree. however the question was the douglas who beat tyson. im talking about the performance in japan that night- buster was at worst like a young holmes that one moment. most experts would pick holmes over george.

any other carnation of douglas would be fodder for george. douglas would quit as he did against hollyfield.

 

I know this is hard to believe but Ferguson was actually a good fighter in the early part of his career. He was poorly managed and kind of thrown to the wolves early on in his career.

 

Being good against Tyson does not necessarily translate into being good against other heavyweights.

Especially decent ones.

 

The Big Bus of the Williams-McCall-Berbick-Tyson fights would stand an excellent chance to tactically outwit a plodding George Foreman...all things being equal. Standout aspects about a "right" JBD have to do with his busy left jab, timing and mobility. In order for this to all work together for good, Douglas needs to come in at around 227-232lbs and look to play matador with Foreman....and nothing more.

The thing is this - would Foreman's underrated left jab upset everything JBD would be banking on....upsetting his rhythm.....thus forcing him into prolonged exchanges?

Let's remember something here........it is entirely possible that one other variable enabled JBD to take it all the way home with Tyson....and that variable would not necessarily be a factor in this scenario; the death of his mother.

Strange as it may seem, that unfortunate occurrence somehow seemed to galvanize Buster's resolve....and at-times in the past that resolve could be shaken. Foreman was special and mentally up to the task despite his meat and potato's approach. Would James be up to it the moment he becomes tired and the momentum of the bout begins to shift?

 

Douglas beat a peak tyson. dont belive the crap about tyson not being in shape, not being focused or blame his corner. If a heavyweight comes in at his best fighting weight during his peak, as a champ, he is ready and trained very hard. Its just a fact. If he still losess the other guy had his number. Theres no shame in that.
the beating tyson took proved he was in shape, mike never quit that night because he was up for it. They say his head movement was absent but it was there in the 1st round. buster just timed mike all night with both hands and had all the answers for a fighter who was invincible at that time.
look, im not saying buster is an all time great but he WAS an atg for one fight. It is my understanding this one fight performance is the version he is being judged on for this debate.
If on his best night douglas could beat george, It in no way makes douglass surpass foremans career achievements however.

 

Tyson was not at his best that night and not prepared well, douglas was at his very best so if we are considering douglas vs young foreman we have to assume young foreman at his very best who was a better fighter than an ill prepared Tyson. I think George gets to him and takes him out of there. Yeah he had a lot of heart that night but Foreman was good at throwing both to the head and body, he was a great finisher so I can see Douglas getting back up off the canvas with a lot of heart but that aint going to stop George's offense, even ATG chins like Chuvalo's didnt do much for George's body attack.


For 90's george, Douglas at his best on that night would beat him. However if the fat lazy douglas fought George in the 90s he would get knocked out.

 

Im just thinking how Tyson was ill prepared for what he was to face that night and if we assume George is at his best I think he will stop douglas no matter how much heart he has because those body shots will break him down physically and even though he may have all the heart and desire in the world if his body wont let him get back up then he will loose.

Im thinking of the different examples where a guy with a great chin was stopped by body punches, Chuvalo vs Foreman, Mayorga vs Tito, DLH vs Hopkins and I think Douglas' incredible chin that night wont be enough.

 

I've never bought into the party line about Tyson relative to the Douglas fight.

The truth is this, Douglas did something nobody had ever really done...or sustained against Tyson up to that point - he aggressively set about attacking Tyson right from the first bell, making him pay for EVERYTHING he did along the way. At points they fought at a very solid pace.....and at 220lbs. Tyson was in fine condition.

Mentally it can be argued that Tyson wasn't at his very best...and there may be a grain of truth to that...but lets face it, Tyson figured he was at point with Douglas and the match, and no doubt he would have done his usual work had Douglas turned runner or folded-up as per script....and general expectation. The problem was with Douglas. He attacked and kept on attacking, using precision technique, timing and speed to the utmost.....and Tyson was ground down.

 

Douglass would have the tools to beat Foreman.... I just don't believe in him enough to pick him over Foreman.... Like Magoo said in a previous post: "Douglass beating an ill-prepared Tyson does not seal the deal for me." However, we saw Foreman get busted-up and literally have a life and death struggle with the lightly-regarded Alex Stewart.... We saw Big George eating leather for ten rounds against Michael Moorer before the shocking turn of events... Douglass, had the tools to beat Foreman.... Did he have the fortitude and wherewithall to carry this out to fruition.... On one magical night exactly 20-years ago he would have beaten perhaps any version of Foreman... Any other time Foreman beats Douglass IMO.

 

Yes but you must understand it didnt take a lot of fortitude or grit to beat old Foreman, he was just too slow, and given Douglas style of boxing from the outside and utilizing decent hand and footwork, its conceiveable Douglas wouldnt be pushed out of his comfort zone by old George. You saw some of the most limited guys make it the distance or change up their style and beat old George, because he simply couldnt push the action hard enough and I dont see Douglas trying to stand and trade with Foreman to make a statement like say Holyfield did. He would simply use his ability to box at distance, and Douglas was technically pretty sound in that style.

 

Very true Hook! Douglass had all the tools and the exact style it took to defeat Big George. It is just that I don't totally trust him to stay the course to victory. The Tony Tucker fight being an example. Douglass was winning handily and either gassed or just lost interest.

 

Tucker was a quicker younger fighter though. He kept Douglas fighting. I think to put old Georges comeback in perspective you should watch the Savarese fight. A very impressive performance against a younger fighter that was on his exact skill level at that time and George just outwilled him. I remember watching that fight and I was very impressed with George as was Dundee in his corner. You couldnt ask for anything more from him. He showed some stuff in that fight. I didnt care to watch him get his face bashed in or look for one big shot which a lot of his fights turned out to be once he started facing the better opposition.

 

I personally think that Douglas was a half way decent fighter with good size, serviceable jab, decent movement, good uppercut and okay power. I do however feel that too much emphasis is placed on the Tyson fight when giving this guy a chance against other good fighters. While I give Buster credit for showing balls against what was viewed as an invincible Tyson, the fact is he beat a guy who for whatever reason didn't show up to fight. That's not Douglas's fault of course, and nor do I hold it against him, but his one time wonder against Tyson can hardly be used as a beacon to rate him with the rest of the field.. Had Douglas beaten Mike Tyson while he was still with Rooney, and going after men like Berbick Thomas, Tubbs and Spinks with a vengeance, THEN we'd have a case.... But, the man who unified the heavyweight title in 1987 and the one who showed up in Tokyo in 1990, were not the same person......